4-13-18: Barna’s Latest Research – American’s favor Capitalism, but tempted by Socialism

Sam Rohrer:                 Well in 1682, William Penn, upon receiving land which later became the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, he got it from the King of England. William Penn chose not to make himself king, although he could have done so. He had the ability to do so. Instead, he laid down his frame of government, which is what it’s called, in which he identified 10 Biblical principles necessary for a new nation to be formed based on the model of Israel of old, established by God himself. And I’m going to share those 10 principles with you in just a moment but suffice it to say William Penn called his hopeful model for a new nation based on Biblical principles of free choice and self government, he called that a Holy Experiment. It was Holy because it was based on Biblical principles. And it was an experiment because it had never been done before.

Well God answered his prayer for a Holy Experiment to become an example to the nations, that was his prayer, and that became the United States of America. His prayer was answered. But William Penn and the founders that followed his model made one point very clear, the experiment in self government, a self governing republic based on the Old Testament model of capitalism could only begin, grow and survive if the citizens and the leaders submitted themselves in the fear of God to following the 10 commandments of God.

Now, was an understanding of this warning of William Penn and the founders evident in the latest research from the American Culture and Faith Institute? We’re going to find out on this program today with our special guest and the initiator of recent research, George Barna. He’s executive director of the American Culture and Faith Institute. And with that introduction I’d like to welcome you to stand in the gap today. I’m Sam Rohrer and I’m accompanied today by evangelist Dave Kistler, president of the North Carolina’s Pastor Network and of Hope to the Hill in Washington DC and Dr. Gary Dull, executive director of the Pennsylvania’s Pastor Network and senior pastor of Faith Baptist Church in Altoona, Pennsylvania.

Well men, before we get into the research today with George on his latest research that he entitled, “Americans Favor Capitalism but Tempted by Socialism,” let me read quickly the 10 principles necessary to begin and maintain a self governing republic that incorporates the concept of capitalism. These are what William Penn laid out in 1682 that really formed the foundation of our nation. Very quickly they are these:

  1. Understand the nature and the role of God as creator, judge, holy and sovereign.
  2. Understand the nature of man, that man is sinful and depraved.
  3. Understand the purpose for government. It is to enact justice, praise those who do well, punish those who do evil.
  4. Understand the purpose for law, that law was made for the lawbreaker. It’s the basis for determining of justice and it’s the basis for government.
  5. Understand the natural tendency of government. And that is to consolidate itself and to become ultimately dictatorial.
  6. Understand the components of justice. That is truth, balanced with mercy and applied equitably to all. That’s justice.
  7. Understand the duty of citizens and leaders to protect freedom.
  8. Understand the need to build safeguards into the system because of the nature of man to be sinful and the nature of government to consolidate it’s power.
  9. Understand the need for a virtuous education of the youth. You’ve got to teach them certain basic principles or you’re going to lose it is what they said.
  10. Understand the need for an ongoing dependence upon prayer. Because, “Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain” that doted Psalm 127.

And that’s what Penn said and that’s what even Benjamin Franklin cited at the beginning of the Constitution. Now with that, I’m going to lay that foundation down. I want to go to George right off and say, George, thanks for being with us today again on the program.

George Barna:              It’s good to be with you and I’m looking forward to this discussion. That’s a great way to open this up.

Sam Rohrer:                 Well George, I want to start right off here with you and before you share, though, the findings of your research, I want to get that into the next segment. Just in a general sense, you heard those principles I laid down there. Is there any evidence to suggest that the 2,000 participants or so that were a part of your survey demonstrated any working knowledge of these 10 principles that I just cited? And if they had, would the results have been strikingly different?

George Barna:              Well it’s an interesting question because, Sam, basically what you began to lay down for us were the fundamental elements of having a world view that’s based on the Bible. And so really I interpret what you just asked me as, do the people that we interview who are a representation of people from across the country, do the Americans have a Biblical world view? And essentially what we know from our ongoing research is that only about one out of every 10 adults in America has a Biblical world view. And our background testing on this particular sample in this survey found exactly the same thing.

And so we know that people who have a Biblical world view have a very different perspective, a very different way of thinking about meaning and purpose in life, about truth and about how they’re going to live their lives in accordance with Biblical principles. That’s uncommon in America today. So when you lay out William Penn’s 10 principles, that would be something that people with a Biblical world view would be not only familiar with and comfortable with, but something that they would hold as a personal standard at their time to live in accordance with.

And when we do our research and compare the people, the 10% or so who have a Biblical world view with the views and the behaviors of those who do not, we always find huge difference in both beliefs and behavior. Differences in terms of how we look at what is success in life, what is meaning in life, what’s the purpose of government, what’s the appropriate behavior of government, how should a family be developed and how should family parent their children? How would finances or money be handled? What’s appropriate there? How to think about the role of the church, the local church and the church at large in a person’s life and in society? The content of truth and where you find it.

All of those things we consistently find to be radically different between those two groups. So in direct answer to your question, do people basically have a working knowledge of William Penn’s 10 principles? Not today. Historically the evidence suggests that in colonial America, nothing that he put on paper there would have been an eye opener to people. Nothing that he put on paper in those 10 principles would have been deemed controversial. Today it’s exactly the opposite. I’m sure as you were reading that many people who were listening didn’t understand that and had never heard that before. So there is a big difference.

Sam Rohrer:                 Surveys and research, if done accurately reflect the attitudes and the views of people in a given class at a certain point in time. They’re helpful for many reasons. And without a doubt, had this particular research, which George Barna will share in just a moment, had been done a generation ago, even 10 years ago, regarding the understanding of capitalism, socialism, private property or any underlying principle of our self governing republic, I suspect that the results would have been strikingly different. And George actually did comment on that just a little bit ago.

Nations and cultures, though, tend to be always moving. They’re not static. They’re like living organisms. The question is what direction are they moving? Are they moving toward the principles of freedom? Or towards totalitarianism? Are they moving toward the principles of what God lays down or away from God? Toward truth or towards relativism? In this segment we’re going to talk with George Barna, executive director of American Culture and Faith Institute about what he means when he says Americans only favor capitalism but tempted by socialism.

So George I want to get you back in here right off and say give us the top line and the bottom line of the research you just completed. Why did you conclude that Americans only “favor” capitalism?

George Barna:              Well it was kind of interesting the way we do the research. First of all the big item for everybody to understand and that precipitated this particular research was that over the last two or three years, we’ve been noticing that when we ask people whether they prefer socialism to capitalism, started out two or three years ago where we were in the low 30% range of people saying they would prefer socialism. And that was shocking enough. But over the last three years or so we’ve seen that that proportion has slowly but steadily increased to the point where today 40% of American adults say they would prefer socialism to capitalism.

Now it’s important to understand, somebody’s going to say that’s not across the board. It’s true. As you look at different subgroups of the population, they all have different proportions which lean in that way. And what you find is that the millennials, the youngest adults in America today, those generally under the age of 30 are the ones that are the most likely to say that they prefer socialism. What’s most shocking about that is it’s a majority of millennials who say they would prefer socialism.

Now that’s meaningful for a number of reasons. Number one, they’re the largest generation in America’s history. Number two, they are the future leaders of American society. And right now when you have 52% of them saying they’d prefer socialism, that should send up a red flag for those who believe that capitalism is the appropriate manner for America. Millennials, of course, are generally building their world view upon post modernism so it may not be surprising, but I think it is frightening.

Part of the other thing that comes out of this research is that we also discovered that the more that we talked with people about their preference, whether it was socialism, communism, capitalism, what we found is the more that we talk with people, the less sure they became about what they believed. And by the end of the survey we asked them the initial question again, which one they would prefer and we found that there was a tremendous softening of people’s perspectives on this with a huge proportion of them actually coming up, the largest proportion coming out and saying they didn’t know.

So that tells us that people are really ill informed about the systems of government, the systems of our society within which we live. And so there’s a tremendous educational opportunity and we have no time to waste in that.

Gary Dull:                     You know, George, it’s interesting that you use that word preference and at some point in time I think I’d like to dig into this a little bit with you. Preference versus conviction on world view and even on capitalism versus socialism. But sticking with your survey, you found some interesting proportions in various population groups as it relates to socialism. And when I read over this earlier this morning, it was interesting what you found. In other words, you found that one out of every five political conservatives, that’s 21% lean towards socialism. Three out of 10 born again Christians lean towards socialism. One fourth of those who are theologically conservative, 24% lean toward socialism. One in six adults with a Biblical world view lean toward socialism. 15% and more than four out of 10 residents of the south, that’s 43% lean towards socialism.

I was interested in noticing there that 30% of those who call themselves Christian and 24% of those who call themselves theologically conservative are leaning towards socialism. It doesn’t surprise me that only one in six adults with a Biblical world view lean towards socialism but I don’t even know how that one does it, to be honest. But having said all of that, out of all of these statistics and the findings, which one most surprised you?

George Barna:              Well honestly maybe different ones that have surprised you the most. I mean the one that really shocked me was residents of the South where you’ve got almost half of the people living in the South, 43% saying that they would prefer socialism. To me that’s shocking because when we look at the political map and we divide it into the red and the blue and the purple states, typically what we find is those are what we consider the red states. Those are the ones that would be considered, typically, to be the most solidly conservative. And if we were to put a map on there of where we would find devoted Christians, the heaviest ink would be in the southern states because that’s where you find most of the people who still are most committed to Christianity.

So yeah, I was really surprised by that. The other one that I guess would get second place on that list would be political conservatives. Because when you think about what it means to be a political conservative, typically it has to do with fighting for freedom and independence, wanting limited government, government to have limited authority, people having more freedom. Conservatism usually has to do with self reliance, it has to do with individual responsibility. All those things are the antithesis of what socialism is about. So to find that one out of five political conservatives said that they would prefer socialism was also pretty shocking to me.

Dave Kistler:                 George, one of the things you do incredibly well is drill down below the numbers and try to find out not only the reason for why people are saying what they’re saying that’s reflected in your research, but you also sometimes find inconsistencies in people’s response that we have found on this program to be very, very interesting. In this particular research that you did, were there any inconsistencies that you found as you drilled down into some of the responses?

George Barna:              Yeah, Dave, that’s a great question because it’s actually one of the key things that we discovered and it’s in the report, that we found that when we compared people’s stated preference for either capitalism or socialism with a series of questions we followed up with about lifestyles and about governance choices, where we did not attach any kind of labels to those lifestyles or governance choices, what we found was that there was huge inconsistency which tells us that people really don’t understand what capitalism is or what socialism is.

Perhaps it’s just that they’re not sold on one or the other and so they’d like more of a syncretistic form of government. But in all likelihood, we’re not very well informed about these things. We found that people who say they prefer capitalism, only 17% of the time did they actually choose the capitalistic approach to a lifestyle and governance every time. People who said they preferred socialism, there was only a 2% consistency in terms of the answers that they gave, which tells us that really they like the label more than they may like the substance of what socialism is.

So a different way of saying all that is in 81% of the cases, people had inconsistent views given the stated preference of what kind of nation they want, capitalistic or socialistic. And again, I think this goes back to what we opened up the program talking about, which has to do with a person’s world view. When we study people’s world view from a spiritual perspective, in America we find that very, very, very few people have a consistent world view. Even if they have a Biblical world view, there are elements of post modernism and existentialism and many other world views that tend to prevent. And so it tends to be more syncretistic where we’ve combined elements from different entities.

So I think that’s part of what we’re struggling with here in America. People don’t really understand what it is. They like the label socialism and I think the reason is because they believe that’s going to give us a kinder, gentler approach to life in America. That’s one of the things that Americans are looking for. And so they tend to think socialism may be the thing that gives it to us. And if it does that, it may help to unite the country.

People right now, the vast majority of them believe the country is on the wrong track, we’re moving in the wrong direction. They’re dissatisfied with government, they’re looking for leaders who are going to heal the divide that we have in America today. And because they know, perhaps that we’ve been a capitalist nation but also because they’ve been bombarded with information from the prior administration as well as the mass media, they tend to believe maybe socialism would be a better way to go because what we’re doing right now in their eyes isn’t working.

Sam Rohrer:                 George, what you just laid out there, quite a mouthful. And I’m not going to be able to follow up with another question for you right now. We’ll save some of that for the next segment, but I wonder if they could even come to an agreement on a common definition of socialism and a capitalist. Based on what you’re saying, probably not.

Now, moving further into the implications of this research as we’ve been finding. When you have a near majority of Americans actually lean to socialism we’re in trouble. The extraordinary lack of understanding about basic principles of government, understanding of God, the concept of right and wrong and a host of things seem to mark our current American 21st century culture. Unfortunately, as we’ve talked many times in this program about, this lack of understanding is not limited to just non church people. But also it’s finding it’s way into those who identify themselves as Christians. Although in that segment it’s normally to a slightly less degree. But it’s there.

The real facts seem to indicate that our nation is moving, at break neck speed, away from God, away from freedom, away from truth really into the hands and the arms of totalitarians, what our founders were so fearful about. And we’re moving from our national heritage at such a speed that when you look at the numbers it causes you to think of this, can our national long survive? So in this segment I’m going to talk with George Barna about the implications of this most recent research. Again, the title that he titled it, Americans Favor Capitalism, but Tempted by Socialism, but they’re ill informed about both.

George, I want to get right in to this and ask you straight out, in your opinion as a long standing researcher, social science researcher, doing things in the church, outside the church all across this nation for a long time, based on the findings of this latest research and others, is the American republic as we have known it facing extinction? And if so, unless something intervenes quickly and deeply, how long do we have until we join the dustpan of history like so many of the great empires have done?

George Barna:              Yeah, it’s kind of a scary question to ever think about, Sam, but I think it’s the right one for us to be asking given the results of a survey like this. I think if we’re talking about whether or not we’re going to go extinct as a democratic republic that was and has been for more than 200 years, based on Biblical principles, I would say yeah. I think that’s abundantly possible when you look at many different factors that play into that. You look at the fact that the fastest growing faith group in America are people who say they have no faith and they want no faith. When you look at the fact that only 10% of Americans have a Biblical world view, when you look at what it is that our churches consider to be success in ministry. When you look at what people do and do not know about the government systems and all of the social institutions that form the framework of what has made America such a great nation for so long.

I would have to say, yeah it is certainly possible. I don’t think it’s going to happen overnight. But if we look at the momentum that takes place in a culture, the momentum is on the side of America shifting from what it has been traditionally to what people think they may want it to be in the future. But the challenge here, I think, is that the basis for decision making, which is what we would call the world view, is that most Americans do not equate their world view with having anything to do with politics or government.

And so we’ve got the difficulty of even Christians think they’re buying into the secular idea that you have to separate faith and the rest of your existence, including politics and government. Now, I would also, however, say that the hope for us being able to pull America back from the brink here is the levels of confusion and ignorance that we’re measuring. And I don’t say that to be derogatory toward the American people, it’s just an observation based on the data. We really don’t know what it is we’re talking about when 40% of us say we want socialism.

And to your comment at the end of the last segment before the commercial break, could people give us a solid definition of socialism or capitalism? No. I’ve got the research, I can definitively show you that people don’t really know what either one of those are. And right now they’re simply looking for different kinds of things in life, a much more superficial understanding of how to live. They want to be happy, they want to be free, they want to be safe, they want to be comfortable. Those are the things they’re looking for but they haven’t put it together with, yes but what are the responsibilities that you have to take on? What are the commitments that you have to embrace in order to live in a place where you could hope to have those kinds of outcomes?

Dave Kistler:                 George, last week we did five programs on the topic of Islam and one of those programs actually was a discussion on the infiltration of Islam into the church of Jesus Christ. It’s stunning what is taking place, has taken place. So obviously over the last number of years the targeting of public education and the media, the rewriting of history, the continual demeaning of Christianity, Biblical standards, even the infiltration of Bible colleges and seminaries by Marxists, communists, those on the left, obviously they’ve been very successful in their infiltration. So my question to you is this, what has the church not done well? Or maybe even better worded, what is it the church needs to do much better, significantly better, if we’re going to have any chance of keeping, as Sam asked you earlier, keeping America from going into the dustpan of history?

George Barna:              Well, again, a great question there. And it’s because, I think our churches have fallen into the same kind of confusion and distractions that the rest of the society has been prone to. So when we look at what the church has and hasn’t been doing, we hae not done a good job of raising up each generation with a solid foundation in the fundamentals of the Christian faith. People do not know how to think about whether or not God exists, they don’t know very much about the character of God, they know very little about the mechanics of sin and salvation and how the Bible talks about the interplay of those.

People don’t buy into the notion that the Bible provides truth and that in fact many situations, there’s absolute moral truth. It’s not relative to the individual and his or her circumstances or feelings. They don’t understand the spiritual authorities that exist and the fact that we live in the context of a spiritual battle between those spiritual authorities.

So those very, very basic things for a world view, the church typically doesn’t teach on those things. There are many churches that do it, but when you look at the 320,000 or so Protestant churches, the 20,000 Catholic churches that we’ve got across America, those aren’t things that they focus on.

Now that’s compounded by the problem where we tend not to help people think about and hold them accountable for integrating Biblical principles into every dimension of life. This is the application of our faith, not just the knowledge and understanding of it, but taking it and making it real from moment to moment in our lives. Instead, what we’ve been led to do by the society and allowed to do it in many cases by our faith communities is we compartmentalize our faith. So we’re Christians on Sunday morning but the rest of the week, we’re worried about making money, about having free time, about feeling good and so forth.

So bottom line here, I’d say, is that part of what we’ve lost is the boldness of the church in the marketplace. What we’ve done is we’ve accommodated our opponents notion that there should be a separation of church and state, meaning that religious elements, our faith, should not be evident in the marketplace. When a point in fact, that’s not in the Constitution, it’s not what the framers of the Constitution believe. It’s not something that would have served our nation well as it was getting off the ground. It’s not right.

In fact, we need our faith to be integrated into every nook and cranny of our culture and of our individual lives. We cannot afford to be timid. We need to protect the opportunity to have our faith be integrated into every dimension of life. And that’s not something the church has done well. We’ve almost become like salts that we just throw on the corner of the steak. And so we’re just seasoning that one little portion rather than seasoning the entire landscape.

Gary Dull:                     You know, George, we’re about out of time for this segment but I’ve just finished a four week series on the Biblical world views. I do, so often in my preaching ministry here at Altoona. But you know, I just want to say to those listening, pastors have a great responsibility, do they not, to teach the components of the Biblical world view and back in 2005, I think it is, you wrote a book entitled something like Thinking Like Jesus.

George Barna:              Think Like Jesus, yeah.

Gary Dull:                     What’s that George?

George Barna:              Yeah it was Think Like Jesus.

Gary Dull:                     Think Like Jesus. It’s an excellent book and I would encourage everybody and anybody to get that. It gets them on track as it relates to the Biblical world view.

Sam Rohrer:                 Research and knowledge does no good if it’s not well considered and then applied. But research properly done should provide data that not only points to where we are at a moment of time but over time to tell us how we got to this point. And how things must change if the findings are to be altered. Now in the case of the findings of this research about Christians and the American’s views towards socialism and capitalism and their attitudes and their knowledge towards not only the definition of capitalism and socialism that we know now is not understood, but the application of the underlying principles that under gird that as they relate, for instance to the purposes and the function of government or the role of the church and the family. They know that even less.

So the question is, how’d we get here? And is there a way back? So in this solution segment here as we wrap up the program from today I’m going to go back now to our special guest, George Barna, executive director of the American Culture and Faith Institute to talk and ask you, George, now this. When did the shift in our cultural understanding of economics, the role of the church, the role of government, these things that we’re talking about here that come to bear on your research socialism, capitalism, when did these things actually begin to fundamentally change? And in your opinion, what was the primary cause for that change?

George Barna:              Well, you know, it’s one of those realities where none of this happens overnight. And so if we’re going to talk about how this change has progressed over time we’ve actually got to go back, I believe, to the turn of the 20th century when Woodrow Wilson was elected president. In essence he was our first socialist who took office in the White House. He put in a number of different programs, introduced a lot of different perspectives. A few years after his presidency, then, a couple of presidents later you have Franklin Delano Roosevelt, FDR, who brought in his New Deal kinds of programs and he used the war time as his excuse for giving government more power, for taking more freedoms away from people.

You jump ahead a few presidents and you’ve got Lyndon Johnson after John Kennedy died. He took over as president so he finished out Kennedy’s term, he had his own four year term. So while he was there he had what he called the Great Society Programs and there again was a power grab and a money grab by government and by the people running the government.

And then of course you had President Obama, Barrack Obama for eight years very recently who continued and advanced that socialist agenda. From a political point of view, that’s kind of the stepping stone that we’ve had for where we’re at today. With their idea that the people are not smart enough and they’re not capable enough of governing themselves, what we really need is the elite, the intelligentsia who can fill those positions of power and authority and make the key decisions.

But that wouldn’t have happened if you didn’t have churches losing their standing in the culture. And that really began around the 70s. 1970s where suddenly instead of focusing on spiritual depth, we had churches beginning to focus on church growth. And so there were all kinds of movements, the secret movements and other things, which in and of themselves weren’t bad but what they did was they took their eye off depth of spirituality and making real, genuine disciples. And instead became very responsive to coverage by the media, very concerned about whether or not they could grow large enough to be considered a mega church.

And all of that with a reduced teaching on scriptural truth had allowed the culture to change in terms of it’s values and it’s world view. Our values shifted from things like truth and obedience to things like comfort and popularity. Our world view went from being predominantly a world view to more of a post modern world view, which says there’s no absolute moral truth. All that matters are the experiences that you have, the connections that you make with other people, how you feel about yourself. Your feelings are supreme rather than any kind of dedicated truth.

So I think all of that started coming together in the 70s and has progressed since then without much opposition. And that’s what’s put us in the situation we’re in today.

Gary Dull:                     Seems to me I recall somebody wrote a book entitled the Paganism of Christianity. Have you ever heard of that one, George? And maybe people ought to get it out and read it. It’s another George Barna book. But it’s interesting you talk about President Wilson. I have often wondered and maybe you can draw a connection here, I don’t know. But I’ve often wondered if the philosophy that Woodrow Wilson put out for us in this nation has itself actually led to the demise of Biblical truth that we see over the pulpit that you talked about in the 1970s. I kind of think that there’s a relationship between the two of those.

And I know we don’t have time to delve into it today but you know when we started the program we listed the 10 principles cited by William Penn necessary for the beginning, growing and maintaining the holy experiment of self government. And so my question to you is what will be required for those foundational principles to once again become known and become recalibrate back into our culture so that we don’t go down that road of extinction?

George Barna:              Well, Gary, another great question. I think there are a few critical elements. One is that we have to remember that our democratic republic hinges on what families do. If families are gonna tech Biblical principles to their kids, if families will hold their community and their political leaders accountable to Biblical principles in what they’re doing to lead us forward, that’s going to go a long way towards solving the issue. Because we can’t rely on our schools, particularly at this point, to do that job. Nor should we.

However, our schools, which are simply an arm of the government, need to be responsive to parents. Right now as you look at what takes place, schools tend to dictate to parents what has to be happening in the home. And it ought to be the reverse of that. So we’ve got to once again get control of that situation.

I would say churches have a big role to play in this and it goes back to what we’ve been describing, which is teaching world view principles, Biblical principles so that people have a solid foundation through which they can make their decisions. A world view is only a mental filter through which we make our decisions and we’ve got to recalibrate that mental filter.

Church leaders, I think, in addition to teaching scriptural truths to people and making sure that they get it and apply it, also have to boldly proclaim the gospel and all Biblical truths in the marketplace. We’ve pretty much been silenced over the last quarter century and you can see the dramatic negative impact it’s having on our culture. So pastors have to stand up, they have to show that leadership back bone that God has given to them and to use it in the marketplace. Not to be ugly about anything, but to proclaim God’s principles as the basis for our nation.

And of course, we’ve got to hold our political leaders responsible for maintaining the capitalistic principles, the democratic principles that the founding fathers put into the Constitution that have made this such a unique country for the last 250 years. And so to be able to facilitate and encourage individuality and the private sector having responsibility for what goes on in our culture. Taking away some of that authority and giving it back.

Christian Persecution: A Reality Too Close to Ignore

PHILADELPHIA—The subject of Christian persecution has taken on a renewed focus for the American Pastors Network  in 2018, as APN leaders regularly address this global problem through its radio ministry “Stand in the Gap Today.”

APN President and “Stand in the Gap Today” host Sam Rohrer has written a new commentary for The Christian Post titled, “Christian Persecution: A Reality Too Close to Ignore.”

“Violent persecution of Christians around the world has risen to all-time highs,” Rohrer writes. “Murders, beheadings, rapes, imprisonments and evil of all types are increasingly befalling Christians. This ugly reality demands a response. While Christian persecution is nothing new, today it comes in various forms and for various reasons.

“How shall American Christians respond when their spiritual brethren are suffering persecution?” he continues. “The choices are only two: ignore it or responsibly respond to it. Ignoring anti-Christian violence is convenient and painless, but it is also anti-biblical. Turning from it may temporarily relieve our uneasiness and numb our sense of moral obligation, but we only fool ourselves. Willful ignorance of evil is fatal because it provides an illusory sense of peace. Ignoring evil cannot stop it, especially when it is aggressively on the march like it is today.”

It’s time for Christians, churches and pastors to wake up, Rohrer added. While persecution of Christians spreads like a virulent global cancer, fellow believers must ask: How far has it metastasized? Where is it happening, and what drives it?

According to trustworthy organizations like Open Doors USA and The Voice of the Martyrs, there is more persecution of Christians today than at any other time in history. On average, 255 Christians are murdered, 104 are abducted, 180 Christian women are raped, sexually harassed or forced into marriage, 66 churches are attacked, and 160 Christians are detained or imprisoned each month without trial because of their faith. These numbers represent only what is known. And according to the U. S. State Department, Christians in more than 60 countries face persecution from their governments or their neighbors because of their personal faith in Jesus Christ.

4-6-18: What Every Christian Must Know About Islam

Dave Kistler:                 Well, ladies and gentlemen, a federal judge recently told school officials in San Diego, California, to reveal details of their work with an Islamic advocacy organization that has been designated as a terrorist group. Of course, by that designation it puts them in the same classification as ISIS itself. Now a legal team in that fight says it has issued investigative subpoenas to the California chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, otherwise known as CAIR, as part of a federal civil rights lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the San Diego United School District’s anti-Islamophobia Initiative.

The case is being handled by the Freedom of Conscience Defense Fund, which is working on behalf of parents in that particular school district. Now, here’s the problem: The district’s multi-year program was developed under the direction of CAIR as a holistic plan to protect Muslim students and their families from bullying and discrimination. As part of the initiative, staff and students are taught by CAIR officials to become allies to Muslim students. And CAIR is empowered to revise school curriculum to portray Islam more favorably.

You heard me correctly: CAIR is empowered to revise school curriculum in order to portray Islam in a more favorable light. Well, the Freedom of Conscience Defense Fund is seeking communication between CAIR agents in the school district as well as documents tracing the Islamic organization’s strategic process for gaining inside access to impressionable school children. CAIR’s national director testified that proselytizing to school children is a “religious obligation” and that the purpose of CAIR’s educational outreach is to do precisely that, which includes passing out religious propaganda to students during class and attempting, according to CAIR itself, to create a religious educational environment.

The chief counsel for the LCDF, the group that’s fighting this, explained it this way. He said, “Through deliberate manipulation, CAIR has gained unprecedented power and influence over San Diego’s United superintendent and school board, and these subpoenas seek to answer questions about the extent of CAIR’s infiltration into the school district. And with that, I want to welcome you to Stand in the Gap Today. I am Dave Kistler. I’m your host today, and along with me to share the radio microphone is Gary Dull, the co-host today. And all this week, we’re going to be doing programs that unveil the evil that is Islamic ideology.

Many of you will remember the incredible poem the president recited during the campaign in 2016. He’s recited it at a rally or two since becoming president of the United States. That poem is called The Vicious Snake. And so our theme today is this. Exposing the Vicious Snake: An Expose of Islamic Ideology and its Grand Design for America.

To help us with our discussion today we have as our special returning guest Tom Wallace. He is the founder of Fortress of Faith. Tom is not only an Islamic scholar, he is also a theological expert and a former missionary in the United Kingdom. And so Tom, I want to welcome you to the program today. Thank you so much for being aboard.

Tom Wallace:               Dave, always it’s a joy to be with you and Gary. And I appreciate you guys dealing with this topic. I came off the foreign mission field to warn my countrymen of the dangers of Islam that is not just creeping into our nation, but sweeping. I think we are … I’m amazed at how fast things are developing here. So I appreciate you guys taking the time to cover this topic.

Dave Kistler:                 Well, Tom, you are one of our favorite guests. We always get great feedback when we have aboard. You’re also host of your own radio program. I would like you to say a little more about that before we end the program today. But let’s go to this topic of what’s going on in the San Diego United School District. CAIR, which of course as you well know, is a front group for the Muslim Brotherhood, has gained access to and unprecedented influence over America’s school children in that one particular school district, if not other districts around the country as well.

My question to you, Tom, is this: Does this surprise you or is this the modus operandi, the MO for CAIR in how they infiltrate a community, infiltrate a school system, even infiltrate our government?

Tom Wallace:               Not in the least. I’ve been warning people about this here for about 10 years now, and let me give you a quote from Omar Ahmad. He gave this down in Southern California back in 1998. He thought he was speaking to just a room of Muslims, but a reporter from the San Ramon Newspaper was there, East Bay Times. And this was July 4th. Now, Omar Ahmad, you need to understand who he is. He is the co-founder of CAIR. He and Nihad Awad founded CAIR many years ago.

And let me quote what Omar Ahmad said: “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. In the Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.” Now, they have two faces. They speak one thing to their Muslim community, and another face that they speak to the American public. And they build themselves, they fashion themselves as the civil rights organization to protect civil rights. But they are a Muslim Brotherhood front group.

What’s interesting is that the UAE, the United Arab Emirates, a full-state nation has not only designated the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization, but they’ve gone as far as identifying CAIR, the Council of American-Islamic Relations, as a terrorist organization. It’s very clear that the connections, if you follow it, you trace it, it’s not very difficult to follow this. But most of America is asleep at the wheel. We are not aware that this group is operating for the demise, the destruction of our country from within.

Gary Dull:                     Tom, this is very interesting that you bring this up, but my question is how are Muslim groups so effective in gaining access today when so often Christian groups are never granted that same access?

Tom Wallace:               Isn’t it ironic we as a Christian nation, Christians are treated as the stepchild, the ugly stepchild here, and Islam is being embraced at every attempt. When Obama was our president, any opportunity he had to oppose or support Islam, he always went to support them. We see this happening so much, but let me give you really why all this is happening. It’s a spiritual battle we’re in.

Dave Kistler:                 Tom, let me hold you right there for just a second because we’ve got to go into the break. Ladies and gentlemen, about five days ago a video surfaced of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel attending a meeting of Muslims where both Israel and one of his sheriff deputies spoke in Arabic. The meeting was held at one of the local Mosques. It was held during the month of Ramadan in 2015. So we’re talking about three years ago. The deputies said that Israel pledged to keep young people out of jail and to put “God first, your family second, and the community third.”

Now, I know what some of you are thinking: “Dave, what is wrong with that?” Sheriff Scott Israel of the Broward County Sheriff’s Department wants God first, family second, the community third, but he’s speaking in a mosque where the God of the Islamic community is Allah, and he is not the same as the God of the Bible. So there’s where the problem comes in. In that meeting, Israel speaks in Arabic to a group of Muslims. He credits his deputy Nezar Hamze as a like-minded individual who’s on the same mission as Scott Israel, the sheriff. And Israel compares himself and Hamze to lions on a mission.

Both Israel and Hamze boast that they want to keep young people out of jail rather than put them in jail. Israel says that he puts troubled young people in a program where they will get help with narcotics and other issues. This is a direct quote from Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel: “I want to put God first, my family second, community third.” And then Hamze, the deputy sheriff, who is a Muslim and a member of CAIR there in Florida quotes Israel as telling the sheriff’s office team the same thing.

Israel says, and I quote, ‘”here is only one perfect person: God. And you’re not it, and I’m not it. We make mistakes. Police make mistakes every day. And I understand that. And that’s why we have to partner with our community. Why is Nezar Hamze,” his Muslim deputy police chief, “here? Because as a man who studies Islam and as a Muslim, he’s going to find out information that we can’t. He’s going to bring information back to the community and take information from the community back to us.” And, again, this is Sheriff Scott Israel of the Broward County Sheriff’s Department speaking, and, again, Nezar Hamze, his Muslim deputy sheriff, who is also a member of CAIR.

Now, I want you just to listen to a brief clip of this 2015 meeting. The voice you’re going to hear first is … In fact, actually I think the only voice you’ll hear will be that of Nezar Hamze, the Muslim deputy sheriff in Broward County. I want you to listen to how charismatic he is. I want you to listen to him speaking in Arabic and then in English, getting ready to introduce the sheriff of Broward County to this Muslim Mosque. Russ, let’s listen to the clip.

Nezar Hamze:               [Arabic 00:10:58], brothers and sisters. Allah [Arabic 00:11:01] has blessed us with another Ramadan. [Arabic 00:11:05] Allah. Allah [Arabic 00:11:06] has locked the Satan, and [Arabic 00:11:09] the sheriff continues to lock the bad people in jail. Al-ḥamdu li-llāh. Brothers and sisters, I wanted to stand here before you today. Lisa? Is Lisa here? She needs to come up. It’s important that we hear from our community, inshallah. I won’t take much time, and I’ll introduce the sheriff. But I want to testify before you, brothers and sisters, because it’s important for you to hear from us, inshallah.

Al-ḥamdu li-llāh. A couple of years ago I had an opportunity to witness our sheriff be sworn in. And he said something that resonates with me, and I want to share it with you so you know the type of individual and what he does. He said regarding our youth, our children, because we all focus on our children very much, he said he’s going to measure his success by how many kids he keeps out of jail and now how many kids he puts in jail. [Arabic 00:12:05].

Brothers and sisters, this was an indicator for me that this man is a straight man. He is a man of honor, of [huck 00:12:13], of justice. Al-ḥamdu li-llāh. I had another opportunity to hear him speak, and he was talking to his team, the employees, the deputies, the people that protect you on the street. He said, “I want you to put God first.” Listen to me. This sounds like [inaudible 00:12:31]. “I want you to put God first, your family second, and the community third.” [Arabic 00:12:40].

Audience:                    [crosstalk 00:12:41].

Nezar Hamze:               Brothers and sisters, this is the reality. This is the man that is our sheriff.

Dave Kistler:                 Ladies and gentlemen, that is an amazing clip that you just heard. And, Tom, I want to go to you immediately. You heard the introduction give to Sheriff Scott Israel. He then speaks in Arabic briefly and then in English the rest of the time, during which he insinuates that God is the same for Islam as he is for Jews and Christians, and on and on I could go. This man, I’m talking about lead chief Scott Israel and his deputy chief Nezar Hamze, were the ones who presided over, ladies and gentlemen, the failed attempt at protecting the innocent school children at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. Tom, to be honest with you, I’m speechless, and I would love to have your thoughts on all of this.

Tom Wallace:               Now, I’ve seen that clip. Of course his deputy chief is dressed there in his deputy sheriff’s uniform, but listening to it just over the radio, the way you played that, at first I was thinking, my goodness, this man sounds like our former president Obama and when he’s addressing the Muslim community. It sounded so much like him. It brought back memories.

Yeah, one thing I think we also need to mention is that there’s a video of the sheriff dressed there and the chief deputy, they’re dressed in his Muslim garb, training this mosque, this Muslim community how they can and should protect themselves with guns. You’ve seen him with his Glock 19 there. They’re demonstrating how to protect yourself with guns, citizens or this Muslim community, and yet this very same Sheriff’s department is very much against teachers being armed and protecting our children there in the school system. I find that very ironic.

Now to address the Muslim sentiments and the Islamic sentiments that are being shared here by the Sheriff’s Department. One thing our American community needs to understand, in the eyes of Muslims, the God of Allah, the God of Islam, the God of Muhammad to them is also the same God of Moses, and of Abraham, and of Isaac and Jacob. The God who created heaven and earth, the God who created Adam and Eve, in their minds, they’re all talking of the same God. Every Muslim usually starts this conversation with me when I talk about my faith and their faith, “Oh, well, we have the same God.”

And I respond with this: “Oh, wonderful. That’s great. So then your god has a son?” Then they get this confused or mean look on their face: “No, for Allah hath no son.” Then I say, “Oh, well then we don’t have the same God because my God, Jehovah God, has a begotten son, Jesus Christ. So clearly we do not have the same God.”

But the point that they’re trying to make is that putting God first is that they’re trying to say, “We’re going to put Allah first. We’re going to keep your sons, your Muslim sons out of jail. We’re going to protect them.” And, yeah, it is kind of concerning that he’s addressing the Muslim community with this message.

Gary Dull:                     You know, Tom, for nine minutes, I say nine tragic minutes, we know that none of the Broward County police on the scene there at Stoneman Douglas entered the school building as kids and teachers were basically sitting ducks and being massacred. Then for 29 minutes, one of those police officers didn’t enter, but told the others to “Stay 500 feet away” from the building where the shooting was actually occurring.

And I know many people have asked this question, but I ask you what in the world is going on here? Why are Islamic police officers unable to really swear allegiance to the United States of America, to US law and really protect United States citizens?

Tom Wallace:               Now, Brother Dull, you have just raised a very interesting question. I believe that’s probably the most powerful question that should be asked: Can we trust Muslims to be loyal to the laws of America and also remain loyal to the tenants of Islam? Is that possible? My answer to that question is a resounding no. Absolutely not. If they’re going to be a loyal, faithful Muslim, they cannot be loyal and faithful to the laws of America because Islam will not permit it. They have a system that is an antithesis to the system of America. We cherish freedoms: freedom of speech, freedom of choice, freedom to choose who you worship, or not worship at all. Islam does not give that permission at all.

We get to choose who governs you. Islam doesn’t give that choice. Those choice and those rights, well, they’re not rights. They are things that you do not have rights to in Islamic form of a system. And so when Muslims swear allegiance to the Bible or rather to the American Constitution, to protect it, they’re either lying, or they are not a faithful Muslim, and I think that it’s that they’re lying to us. I think that’s been demonstrated time and time again.

Dave Kistler:                 Tom, what you’re sharing is very important information. It’s very disturbing. And ladies and gentlemen, there’s something about the Parkland shooting that makes no sense at all to me. It’s beyond odd that the heavily Islam-friendly, Islamic-infiltrated police force in Broward did nothing to stop the shooting for nine minutes or longer.

Ladies and gentlemen, this woman’s name you may or may not have heard. Her name is Barbara Sharief. In fact, her full name is Barbara Muhammad Sharief. And she is an American politician. In fact, she has been a Broward County, Florida, commissioner since 2010. And in 2016 she was reappointed as mayor of Broward County, having previously served from 2013 to 2014. And she’s the country’s first African-American female and Muslim mayor. You’re hearing me correctly.

In the same county where Stoneman Douglass high school is that has a very Islamic-friendly police department in the form of Scott Israel, the police chief and Nezar Hamze, the deputy police chief, who is a committed Muslim, member of the organization we’re talking about today called CAIR, Council on American-Islamic Relations, the mayor of Broward County is also a Muslim.

Now, why am I bringing that up? Friends, if you know anything about London, England, you know that Sadiq Khan is a Muslim mayor in that city of London, and he has clear ties to terrorists–that is a documented fact. It was him who after the killing of 22 innocents at an Ariana Grande concert said the following: “We are going to have to get used to terrorism.” In other words, terrorism in London, terrorism in England, terrorism in the United Kingdom, it’s the new normal, something with which we’re going to have to become accustomed.

So, Tom, I want to go to you. You’ve sighted this earlier in the program in segment one that you left the United Kingdom as a missionary there to come back to the United States of America to warn our nation, specifically to warn the church in America about a diabolical, sinister, demonic enemy. So my question is this: Why are Muslim mayors, Muslim law enforcement official, Muslim City Council members, why do people that are committed to Islamic ideology in those positions, why do they present to America an incredibly dangerous dilemma?

Tom Wallace:               Well, can I bring your attention to a document that was found by the FBI back in 2011? It was a document that was written by the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan. And it was found, the FBI found this in the home of Ismail Elbarasse back in 2011. He is a teacher or was a teacher in Virginia. The FBI became suspicious of him. I won’t get into background of this story of that, but they raided his home and found in his basement a secret room. And in that room was a cache of documents and media.

The prized piece of document that they found was a memorandum from the Muslim Brotherhood to the group in North America. Let me read to you from Page 7: “The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying Western Civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house.” Now get this: “by their hands and the hands of the believers.” So what are they saying in this document from the Muslim Brotherhood? “We’re going to create a Jihad–Jihad is a holy war, a struggle against evil–“to eliminate Western Civilization.” How? “From within.” How are you going to do it? “Sabotage their house by their hands.”

We’re going to incorporate their own hands, their own system, and the hands of the believers. And on the back page it lists about 14 different groups that were complicit, that were working with the Muslim Brotherhood as front groups here. Now, the FBI has used this document as a court piece of evidence in the trial, what we call the Holy Land Fund Trial, in Dallas, Texas. During the Bush administration they were starting to put these people away in jail.

When Obama became president and Eric Holder became the new attorney general, he stopped that, and CAIR and ISNA and a number of these other groups there were designated as unindicted co-conspirators. They were getting around to prosecute these people, but they never got to it because of Eric Holder. And we need to press our current attorney general Sessions to reopen that case. All that there is waiting to be done, but that’s another issue.

Now let me return to this judge. They are putting key people in government, judges, mayors, police chiefs. They are jockeying for these positions. They’re training for these positions. And in England, in the United Kingdom, there are four hijab centers. I lived just two to three miles from one, and they are organized to train bankers, politicians, teachers, and they’re working to develop these people to get into government positions. This has been going on in the United Kingdom for since the time I’ve been exposing this and talking about this. And this is also operating here in America. I don’t know where they’re located. They’re a little bit more careful in hiding these locations of where they’re training these people.

Actually, I think they’re training them right underneath our nose in our institutions and setting them up because they’re being funded by CAIR, by Muslim Brotherhood, and they’re wealthy because we keep buying Saudi oil. So we’re funding our own demise. I know I sound like a conspirator, or talking about conspiracies and stuff there, but, folks, this is happening, and we’d better wake up to it.

Gary Dull:                     You know, I think this is a thing that we need to wake up to, Tom. It almost appears to me is that the average American is either blind about what Islam is doing or doesn’t want to understand what Islam is doing. And I wonder what the thought is among those who are leaders in our nation. You mentioned the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, that he needed to look into this again. Will he? Does he understand what is going on within Islam?

And as we understand it, Tom, it appears as though for years Islam has been working on infiltrating into government here in the United States of America on every level. So this isn’t anything new, as I understand it. It is something that’s been going on for a long, long time. And then to hear that statement that you rendered here a moment ago where they’ve written regarding us that they will sabotage their house by their own hands, that is critical.

And so my question to you is this: What about those who say we, those of us who are concerned about Islam, are overeating, or are just Islamophobic, or are crying wolf? How do you answer those critics who refuse to see what really is going on in front of our own faces?

Tom Wallace:               I remind them of how people reacted to Winston Churchill when he was trying to warn Britain about the bully, the tyrant of Hitler, that they ought to pay attention to him, that appeasement is the wrong move. It’s only going to give him time to get stronger, and they need to deal with him. They need to put that down. But they didn’t listen. They thought he was a crazed man, a crazed [inaudible 00:26:52] go away and just let’s just create an environment of peace as much as we can. And it doesn’t work. Appeasing a bully never works. It never has worked. Historically we can see that it’s dangerous. And many people died as a result because they didn’t listen to Winston Churchill earlier. And there were other people that tried to warn, but they didn’t listen to him.

And we have a new bully on the block. Back in the ’40s it was Nazism, it was Hitler. Today it is Islam, and they are infiltrating here. The thing that’s an advantage for Islam is that it’s fashioned, it’s designed under the face of a religion. So therefore it has rights to be practices here, and they can send their apostles around our country to spread their poison and to work their destruction from within. And the Muslim Brotherhood realized that. That’s why they, I believe, I’ve been saying the Muslim Brotherhood is the most dangerous terrorist organization on the face of the earth because they have identified our weakness, and they’re exploiting it. And we’re asleep at the wheel.

So far our government has not called the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization. There’s a bill H.R.377, House Resolution 377, that the 115th Congress has put out there. It has a lot of co-sponsors there to get this bill out of committee and get it on the floor to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. Can you believe it, that our own country will not designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization when other countries have? That blows my mind.

Dave Kistler:                 Tom, let me jump in. We have about 45 seconds until we’re going to have to go to the break. I want to ask you this and ask you to respond very quickly. Obviously the Muslim Brotherhood and Muslim entities are strong opponents of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. They are fighting to get guns out of the hands of the general American populous. Talk about that for just a second, why it’s so important that we stand up and defend the Second Amendment because of the threat Islam poses.

Tom Wallace:               Every tyrannical government knows you cannot operate if the citizens are armed. You have to disarm the citizens if you’re going to control them with a dictatorship type of government, and that’s the Islamic way. The Islamic government is a dictatorship. It always has been. That’s what Muhammad gave them, and that’s why they practice the very same thing in their governments. You cannot have that if the citizens are armed, if they can fight back. And so naturally, yeah, it’s in their interest to see us disarmed, so they’re going to oppose the Second Amendment because the Second Amendment keeps us safe.

Dave Kistler:                 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Stand in the Gap Today. I want to say this at the outset of this critically important final segment of our program today, in fact, it’s a segment we commonly call our solution segment, and I want to say this: Our discussion today is not meant to foster hatred for anyone. Our topic today is not directed primarily at people. We are addressing an ideology today that is beyond dangerous. Yes, adherents to that ideology have done, and are doing, and will continue to do very evil things, but we are to love those who are enslaved in any false ideology, including and I would say even especially the false ideology of Islam. These folks that are adherents to it have been enslaved by a deception. They have been lied to, and the only way they’re every going to be delivered from that deception is if we love them enough to tell them to truth and declare to them the glorious, life-changing, eternity-altering gospel of Jesus Christ.

But the ideology that they’re espousing itself is evil. I think Dr. Franklin Graham said it as well as it could be said when he called many years ago Islam an evil religion, and it is precisely that. It is an evil religion. I am not the least bit reticent to say that. Gary is not the least bit reticent to acknowledge that. Tom as an Islamic scholar is not the least bit hesitant to call Islam from an ideological standpoint precisely what it is: a deception, a lie, an evil ideology.

And so, Tom, I want to go to you. Obviously America has to deal with this evil ideology. It’s anti-God. When I say “anti-God,” I’m talking about the true God. It’s certainly anti-American. It’s anti-constitutional. And so in very practical terms, Tom, what can be done? What must be done in the United States of America to deal with this vicious snake that is making its inroads in rapid fashion across the United States of America?

Tom Wallace:               First of all, let me say, Dave, thank you for making that point that this is not to bash Muslims. America needs to understand they need to separate Islam from the Muslim. Please do not blame the Muslim for Islam. The Muslim is a victim of Islam. I have been saying this for years, and I’m just as passionate about us resisting Islam as I am about rescuing Muslims.

Muslims are victims. It’s an ideology that’s going to send these people to hell. They need the truth, and praise God we as Christians, we have the answer: It’s the word of God. And if we can only a Muslim into the Bible, and I’ve seen it happen so many times, that if we get them reading the scriptures with us, and they realize that they’ve been lied to, and they see the light of the scriptures, and they come to Christ. And so I’m also the founder of Missions to Muslims. I am as actively about trying to evangelize Muslims as I am actively trying to resist the ideology of Islam and warn people of it. What’s the real solution? A Holy Ghost revival in our country.

Gary Dull:                     Amen.

Tom Wallace:               I have been trying to tell Americans that God is raising up Islam as an instrument of judgment upon us because of our sin. We have sinned against God. He have angered God. We’re foolish to think that we can continue in our wicked living here and expect God to wink at it and look the other way, and continue to sing God Bless America in spite of our wicked sin.

Folks, God is angered and God is raising up our destruction if we do not repent. I believe that Islam is the very element that will bring us to our knees and destroy us, and bring us to humble ourselves and repent if we … But we can volunteer to do that. We can admit, “God we were wrong. We have foolishly thought that we could run our own ship without you. And we need to fall on our knees and repent.” And I believe God is bringing us and showing us destruction is coming our way if we continue, but we refuse to see it.

Dave Kistler:                 Gary, let me do this, because that is a take on this entire topic that you very seldom, in fact I don’t know if I’ve ever really heard it worded quite like Tom worded it, but with his statement, I completely concur, and I could tell you did as well because you uttered an Amen. The answer to this entire dilemma is nothing less than revival in the United States of America. And I believe Tom is 100% correct. I think Islam is part of God’s judgment on America, is God allowing us to have what we have desired to have independent of him. And that is we’ve tried to live our lives arrogantly, very superficially, to be sure, in violent disregard of him, and so this is the consequence.

So if revival, Gary, is the answer, and I’m firmly convinced it is, you are a pastor. What must take place inside the church? What must take place from the pulpits of America to facilitate, or if I could use this phrase, “fan the flame” of a revival in America? What must they place inside the church and especially from the pulpit?

Gary Dull:                     Dave, there’s no doubt that we need revival in America today, and I know that it disgusts you as well as it does me, and I’m sure Tom also when you hear some Evangelicals saying, “There will never be another revival in this nation.” I don’t like that. I think there could be another revival in America, and I think we need to pray for that.

But revival is simply defined as when God’s people get right with God. Think about that, ladies and gentlemen. It’s when God’s people get right with God. There are so many things going on in the lives of born-again believers that are godless, that are secular, that are worldly. We talk often on this program about the authority of the scripture.

So often the word of God is not the authority in the lives of individual Christians. We need to get back to the word of God. Now, what is that going to take? It’s going to take, #1, preachers making sure that their pulpits are on fire with the truth of the word of God. Secondly, it’s going to take making certain that every one of us allow the word of God to work effectively in our lives.

Thirdly, it’s going to mean we must be willing to repent of those things that have taken us away from biblical truth and get back to understanding who God is, what God expects, and how God operates. And I know that may seem like a simple formula, but that will be a formula that will bring us back to revival where God’s people get right with God.

It could very well be that God is judging America through Islam. We’ve often said too that he’s judging America through the rise of homosexuality. He could be judging America through abortion. Listen, it’s all around us. God’s judgment is there. It’s time for the Church of Jesus Christ to wake up.

Dave Kistler:                 Tom, before we exit the program, and we have just about a minute before we’re going to have to leave the air, but I want you to just give our listeners the information they need as to where they can go to find out more about Fortress of Faith as well as this new venture in which you are involved, and that’s called Missions to Muslims. Talk about that, if you would, very quickly.

Tom Wallace:               Our radio broadcast site is fortressoffaith.com. We just launched an app just for Android phones. Just right now we are trying to get into the iPhone market, and so people can listen to our daily 15-minute program. I cover the issues that’s going on. And basically what I’m trying to do alert people and show you why God is raising up Islam as an instrument of judgment and how we need to repent, and how we need to resist Islam. Yeah, there’s a political side. Don’t just stand there and weep over it. Do your bid to try to fight it. But the biggest thing we need to do is fall to our knees, folks. We need to repent. Then we need to rescue Muslims, and that’s missionstomuslims.com.

Christian Persecution: A Reality Too Close to Ignore

Note: This article originally appeared on the Christian Post website HERE.

by Sam Rohrer, APN President

Violent persecution of Christians around the world has risen to all-time highs. Murders, beheadings, rapes, imprisonments and evil of all types are increasingly befalling Christians. This ugly reality demands a response. While Christian persecution is nothing new, today it comes in various forms and for various reasons.

How shall American Christians respond when their spiritual brethren are suffering persecution? The choices are only two: ignore it or responsibly respond to it. Ignoring anti-Christian violence is convenient and painless, but it is also lazy and irresponsible. Turning from it may temporarily relieve our unease and numb our sense of moral obligation, but we only fool ourselves. Willful ignorance of evil is fatal because it provides an illusory sense of peace. Ignoring evil cannot stop it, especially when it is aggressively on the march like it is today.

History is replete with the disastrous results of ignoring evil’s spread. The U.K.’s Neville Chamberlain gave it a try in his fateful 1938 discussions with Hitler. One day, he publicly announced, “peace for our time.” Within six months, though, Hitler began his blitzkrieg offensives, and the death of millions followed. American Christians cannot afford to be so gullible. We either respond to evil, or blithely wait for its angry fist to pound upon the front doors of ourselves, our children or grandchildren.

It’s time to wake up.

Evil in any form loves darkness. It likes to hide and creep up on its victims. Evil cannot stand the light, nor does it have an affinity for life. As former Hamas Prime Minister, Ismail Haniyeh, triumphantly declared, “We love death like our enemies love life!”

While persecution of Christians spreads like a virulent global cancer, we ask: How far has it metastasized? Where is it happening, and what drives it?

According to trustworthy organizations like Open Doors USA and The Voice of the Martyrs, there is more persecution of Christians today than at any other time in history. On average, 255 Christians are murdered, 104 are abducted, 180 Christian women are raped, sexually harassed or forced into marriage, 66 churches are attacked, and 160 Christians are detained or imprisoned without trial each month because of their faith. These numbers represent only what is known.

According to the U. S. State Department, Christians in more than 60 countries face persecution from their governments or their neighbors because of their personal faith in Jesus Christ.

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Islamists aren’t the only threat Christians face. Despotic governments are well-known Christian persecutors. North Korea sits atop the list of nations systematically targeting Christians, followed by Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan and Sudan. Persecution is on the rise in China and India as well.

These facts should grip the heart of every American Christian. As we empathize and identify with our brothers and sisters in these lands, we must also acknowledge signs of persecution popping up within our own borders. This is not a time for ignorance.

The most common denominator driving all forms of Christian persecution is any ideology that rejects the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ, or Yeshua, as Creator, Judge and Redeemer. The Judeo-Christian worldview sees life as the sacred gift of a loving but just Creator God. Those rejecting this worldview in lieu of political power, dreams of a global caliphate or Utopia are inherently primed to persecute Christians. That has been part of the history of many civilizations.

Where America’s Declaration and Constitution honor and reflect the Judeo-Christian worldview, most governments are antithetical to it. The decline of Christianity in Western Europe is a prime example. When religion devoted to evil and an arrogant civil government combine, such as with Islam, they become the worst of Christian persecutors—aggressive, vicious and deadly.

North Korea is just the latest example of applied atheistic political thought. North Korea’s blood relatives include regimes built on Marxism, Communism, Fascism or Nazism. These systems have their intellectual roots in 19th century thought, denying, like Darwin, the reality of a Creator God as a fundamental tenet. These governments tend to favor materialism and humanism, rejecting the God of the Bible, and often not satisfied to just let Christians be.

Islamic ideology teaches Muslims to hate Christians because they’re not Muslims and won’t knuckle under to their false god. Tyrants hate Christians because they have been spiritually and mentally set free, liberated as individuals and knowing better than to recognize government as supreme authority. Those who cannot be controlled, the state eventually declares, must go. Within America, there are progressives who hate Christians because Christianity is “unfair.”

Many American progressives dismiss God as a fantasy, an unneeded crutch. You will hear them claim they cannot believe in a god who permits evil. The most enraging factor to this breed of progressive, however, is the perceived injustice of Christianity’s exclusive claim on moral truth, to the exclusion of other religions.

This is intolerable to the progressive because “equality” of outcome is more important than anything else. Though equal outcomes are both theoretically and practically impossible, this defines justice for most progressives and makes Christianity’s exclusive claim to the truth embodied in Jesus Christ abhorrent.

To the radical progressive, God is fine if He remains ethereal, ill-defined, amorphous and open to self-definition. But once you place God in traceable history, document His personal dealings with mankind, and dare claim that God came to earth and took on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ—who claims to be the only way, the only truth and the only life—you’ve got yourself a first-class scandal, the scandal of the Specific God! This makes the American radical progressive activist potentially just as dangerous to Christians as the Islamic terrorist or the tyrant of a godless regime.

The rise of anti-Christian ideologies in the 20th century resulted in more sheer death and destruction than occurred in all of history up until then. The number of those killed in world wars, purges and genocides is so large that historians can’t agree on the totals. A conservative estimate is that from 150 million to 200 million people were killed, starved or died of disease as a direct result of actions of 20th century regimes built on anti-Christian values.

Today, the most egregious and aggressive source of Christian persecution worldwide is Islam. Whether Sunni, Shiite or Sufi, this destructive ideology mandates its followers kill, rape or otherwise persecute all who will not bow to their false Prophet Muhammad. Islam spread rapidly through violence in the seventh century. Nothing has changed. Today, in addition to Jews, Christians are directly in Islam’s crosshairs.

Christians must first know about the violence befalling Christians in other nations and responsibility respond. Boldly telling the truth about such relevant issues is one of the primary objectives of the American Pastors Network. Pastors must speak to the issue. Being silent means enabling. The first step is learning. Then fervent effectual prayer must be made on behalf of suffering Christians in these places far off the radar screen of our everyday lives.

Christians can learn more from a new nationwide effort to bring public awareness of the worldwide persecution of Christians to the forefront. Visit www.SavethePersecutedChristians.org.

Christian, do not be willingly ignorant. Be intentionally informed and responsibly respond. Stand in the gap now!

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3-29-18: The Hidden Meaning of the Passover: What Every Christian Should Know

Sam Rohrer:                 Well today is Good Friday. In just two more days we’re going to celebrate Easter Sunday. Did you know that the actual days that Jesus was crucified and rose from the grave were actually earlier this week? That’s right. According to the Jewish calendar Christ has already risen and it’s tied directly to the observance of the Jewish Passover. The question is should Christians, therefore, know about the Passover? And since the Jewish Passover historically preceded Easter, what should Christians know about Passover? What messages or pictures did God actually design into the Passover so Jews and Christians alike would look to and recognize the redeemer of the world.

We’re going to talk about this today on Stand in the Gap Today, and to help us better understand the richness, really, truly, the richness of the Passover, and what God wants us to know about Himself because of it, with purpose that we as Christians can learn from it and better help to share the gospel with not only gentiles but particularly our Jewish friends. We’re going to invite in a special guest today to Stand in the Gap Today our messianic Jewish evangelist, JB Bernstein, founder of Gates of Zion. First, let me welcome each of you to Stand in the Gap Today this Good Friday. I’m Sam Rohrer, and I’m going to be joined today by Pastor Isaac Crocket. Isaac, thank you for being on the program with me today on this Good Friday. I know that you’re busy at your church. So thanks for being on board here with me.

Isaac Crockett:             Thank for having me, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:                 With that, Isaac, I’m going to welcome in official now, JB Bernstein. JB, good to have you with us today.

JB Bernstein:                Hi Sam. Hi Isaac. Glad to be with you guys.

Sam Rohrer:                 I tell ya, ladies and gentlemen, you don’t know this, but JB is actually calling in from Friday and just literally, literally moments before we went on the air someone ran into the back of his vehicle. He’s in his car. He’s going to be able to talk to us, but we just prayed and thanked the Lord for protection for him. Sometimes the devil works against things, ladies and gentlemen. I want you to know that. So I think today’s going to be a special day even though the devil tried to stop this effort here. JB, I want you to start right out. Take just a couple of minutes please. Tell us about your message as a messianic Jewish evangelist. You have started an entity called the Gates of Zion, but I specifically want you just to answer here briefly whom do you primarily share the good news of Jesus Christ with? Are you an evangelist in primarily gentiles or Jewish people or both? Just tell us a little bit about your mission as a messianic evangelist.

JB Bernstein:                My call from God is to bring the truth of the messiah back to the very people He first came to, and from whom salvation comes. As the Lord said, salvation is from the Jews. Many Christians don’t realize that only less than 1% of Jewish people actually know the Lord, and these were the very people who He first came to, and part of what God has called me to do is to bring this message to Jewish people so they see that the gospel is a Jewish message to the Jewish people about the Jewish messiah and also to help Christians understand that they are called by God to bring the message that came to them from the Jewish people back to the Jewish people.

One of the places where I minister in Norway, they call it Return to Sender. It’s a very crucial thing, and it’s very much part of God’s heart who to this day is broken over His own people. He prayed over only one city recorded in the scripture, Jerusalem, and I believe He continues to pray and weeps also over that city. He wept over that city back then, and I’m convinced He’s weeping over that city now and he wants to equip and release His people throughout the body to bring that message of light back to the people from whom it first came.

Sam Rohrer:                 JB, this is a great setup. The theme I’m entitling this program here today is The Hidden Meaning of Passover: What Every Christian Should Know. And that’s what we’re going to go into. Let’s go immediately right now to the focus of this program today, Passover week. Now today is Good Friday. Easter’s just in a couple of days. These are some of the most important days in the Christian and Jewish calendar, JB, but most people, I think anyways, don’t know the rich meaning and the connection between Passover and Easter. Since Passover was begun a long time before Easter, but it’s directly connected to it. Give us a bit of history about the Passover. When did it begin? Why is it so important to the Jewish people and the nation of Israel?

JB Bernstein:                Well, understand this. When Jesus, who we call by His original Hebrew name, Yeshua, when He was here in the land of Israel in the first century during his whole life He celebrated Passover. He never heard of Easter. There was no such thing. During Passover, Passover might be the most ancient celebration perhaps in all history. Passover has been celebrated for over 3,000 years. Every single year, year after year, Jewish families have come together on the exact same time, which is on the evening of the 14th day of the first month of the year. So you see we are actually in the first month of the biblical calendar, which today is called the month of Nissan and on the 14th day, which is the middle of the month the moon is full.

So on Monday when Jews all over the world celebrated Passover, the moon was full, and that is when the Passover was celebrated. Now, the very first Passover and every subsequent Passover is all about the lamb who is slain before the foundation of the world and that is why when Yeshua, when Jesus celebrated and observed Passover He read about the hidden meaning of it to His disciples. Again, Jewish people who believe in Him we celebrate Passover, which again was on Monday on the full moon and that is the day that the Passover lamb was sacrificed and he was sacrificed.

Sam Rohrer:                 JB, tremendous, tremendous. Ladies and gentlemen, we are focusing today, because it’s Good Friday on the meaning of Good Friday and looking at the Passover. Our general theme, The Hidden Meaning of Passover: What Every Christian Should Know. Our special guest, JB Bernstein is a messianic Jewish evangelist and founder of The Gates of Zion. When we come back right after this break Isaac Crockett and I will continue with our special guest, JB, How the Passover Seder meal revealed the Redeemer.

Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to this Good Friday special program here on Stand in the Gap Today. With me today is Pastor Isaac Crockett and our special guest, JB Bernstein. He’s a messianic Jewish evangelist and founder of The Gates of Zion where you can go there to that website, GatesofZion.net and see what he has there. Our theme today is The Hidden Meaning of Passover: What Every Christian Should Know. We had a little bit of a history in the last segment. In this next segment here today we’re going to talk about the Seder meal. JB, you have conducted many Seder meals. I was privileged to be a part of one that you led a couple of years ago, and I can tell you I was really blessed by that as we sat there on the ground in that building and you led through that entire process.

I’d like in this segment here if we could to go about explaining to our listeners what the Seder meal is all about, why it’s conducted, what it means to the Jews and to Christians alike. So let me start right off with this very short question to you first and then Isaac will come back and for you. In brief terms, what is the Seder meal, when is it observed, and why is it before we get into the meaning of it. So what is the Seder meal, when’s it observed, and why?

JB Bernstein:                The Seder meal is the first of what are called the Moadim in Hebrew, the appointed times. So the first day, the 14th of Nissan which was last Monday is the Passover and then the next day is the feast of unleavened bread. The Seder meal is a meal that we remember what happened on the last plague that God sent to compel Pharaoh to let the people of Israel go or in bondage for 400 years. He had sent 10 plagues and Pharaoh’s heart was hardened after each one. Each of the plagues are intricately also judgments against the god’s of Egypt. For example, the Egyptians worshiped the sun god and so God sent the plague of darkness as an example.

The last plague, which was the most terrible is Pharaoh was considered god and so his son was also considered god and so the last plague was the terrible plague of the death of the firstborn, but what Israel was commanded to do was take a lamb without spot or blemish, a male, and to slaughter that lamb and the blood would be put in a basin and then they would take the blood and apply it to the door post and the top of the door post called the lentil of the door and when that final plague was unleashed the blood would cause death to pass over the home that had the blood applied.

You see, the reason why Christians would be greatly enriched in this and understanding the Seder meal is because that blood is also the blood, it was the blood of the Passover lamb who was slain before the foundation of the world. So the Lord Jesus, Yeshua, He not only fulfilled the Passover, but He is the Passover, and by His blood we, death passes over us today. Actually, in John 5:24 it says, “He who hears my word and believes in Him who sent Me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment. The judgment of death does not fall upon him, but he passes over from death to life. And so understanding the Seder meal and all of the details of it is a blueprint. Hidden in it is a design in the sense just like the creation, there is an intelligent design that is shouting out that the Messiah has come, He is the Passover, He has died, He has been raised from the dead and it’s all in the Passover. I could go on and on. As you can see, I’m excited about talking about it because it is pure revelation from heaven.

Isaac Crockett:             JB, this is exciting hearing about this and to see this in enrichment as we see the context unfolded for us especially a lot of us as Christians oftentimes don’t either understand or maybe don’t even study the old testament as we should. As we see this observance of the Passover, the Seder, we see the richness of this illustration that God has enriched us by giving this to us as well as other feasts in the old testament. These are pictures that show us God’s plan for Israel. It’s already, as you said, revealing His plan of redemption through Yeshua. Could you just explain, then, some of these major elements of the Seder meal then kind of walk us through how these elements point us to God’s plan of redemption.

JB Bernstein:                Even before Passover we’re commanded to remove all leaven. Everything that has yeast from the house. That’s really where we get spring cleaning from. Getting rid of the leaven and the typology of leaven is leaven is figurative for sin. So we get rid of all sin, all known offenses against God. We put it away. Get rid of all malice, all anger, evil conduct, get it out of you. So we remove leaven, the physical leaven, but it speaks of removing sin out of our lives and repenting and getting rid of it. So that begins the Passover Seder and then Matzah itself unleavened bread, if you look at it closely it is striped, it is pierced, and it is reminiscent of the Messiah Himself who was pierced. “They pierced my hands and my feet.” In Zechariah it says, “When he returns,” it says, “They will look upon him who they have pierced.” So the Messiah is the pierced one. He is the unleavened bread. “Unleavened” meaning, He had no sin. So this is the feast of unleavened bread and Yeshua himself said, “I am the bread of life.”

This is the kind of bread He was talking about. He was talking about unleavened bread. When you are able to participate and experience Passover, you see this more clearly. Also an incredible thing is that Jewish people throughout the world, there is something called a Matzatash, which has three pieces of Matzah in it. Three slices of unleavened bread and it is a tradition to take the middle piece, break it in half, wrap it in a cloth and then bury it during the Seder meal. It’s amazing. Jewish people do this throughout the whole world for centuries, have no idea why they’re doing it, and so it gets buried at the end of meal. The children look for it, search for it, and it gets taken up away and then it is shared by all.

That is called the Afikoman. It’s the only Greek term in the Passover Seder and interestingly it’s meaning is it’s “what comes after” or “He who comes.” When Yeshua, when Jesus took that bread he said, “This is my body broken for you. Eat of it.” So the Afikoman, the piece of Matzah that is wrapped in a sense, in linen, in cloth, buried, it’s raised up at the end and divided among the family speaks so clearly of the body of Messiah, and that’s just one of the elements during the Seder meal.

Sam Rohrer:                 JB, I’m listening and I’m overwhelmed because I can see the picture. Jewish people, as you say, have been doing this for thousands of years, 3,000 years.

JB Bernstein:                3,000. Yeah. Over 3,500 years. Yes.

Sam Rohrer:                 What is a Jewish person looking for? The way you describe it, it is so clear of the picture of the Messiah who has come. Why isn’t that connection made in more people’s lives and their understanding?

JB Bernstein:                I think it’s multi-faceted. I think one of the reasons has to do with a great need for the body of Christ to repent over the centuries, even almost 2,000 years of a really anti-Semitic spirit, attitude in the church where the Jews … You see, the gospel, this is very in for it. The gospel to Jewish people for the last 2,000 years-

Sam Rohrer:                 JB, JB. Hold that right now. We’re going go right into that in the next segment. Ladies and gentlemen, you’re listening to a special Good Friday emphasis here on Stand in the Gap Today, The Hidden Meaning of Passover: What Every Christian Should Know, our special guest, JB Bernstein, messianic Jewish evangelist as Isaac Crockett and I are walking through the meaning of Passover. Just as JB was heading that way, right there we’re going to come back after the break and we’re going to talk about how understanding the Passover should better motivate Christians how to witness to Jewish people.

We’re going to go forward now here. JB Bernstein, you were talking just before the break. You were talking about the meaning of the Seder and how it really should motivate us as Christians, and I want to go into this matter here now with you. Jewish families observe this wonderful tradition. They look towards the Messiah, and I was asking you the question of why is it that more don’t really understand that the Messiah has come. They’re still anticipating that Jesus, the Messiah will come. Now, I know that you have a real love for your Jewish people and so do I. I know Isaac does too and actually has some of his family in the past have had ministries to Jewish people. We know that that’s an important thing, and we rejoice in the fact that because Christ came that we, speaking of me and Isaac as well, as Gentiles have now become a part of the spiritual commonwealth of Israel.

We’re joint heirs with Jesus Christ a phenomenal, phenomenal thing. I think sometimes we too often take that for granted. Let me start out with you right now. Could you share with our Christian listeners, primarily on this program how that better understanding the Passover of the Seder meal you just walked through and this time of year in particular should help us be more effective in our witnessing to our Jewish friends. Kind of lay it down. You were going down that road of priority of the message of the gospel to Jewish people. Build that out a little bit if you could.

JB Bernstein:                What I was saying, brothers, mostly the gospel to Jewish people for the last 2,000 years has tragically been, “Be baptized or we will kill you.” It’s almost like this. When Jewish people read Moses, the Word of God says that a veil lies over their minds. Well, my discovery ever since my eyes were opened about 40 years ago is that when Christians, most Christians, not all, read Paul there’s a similar veil that lies over their minds because they don’t really see that Jesus lived his entire life in the land of Israel, and all of His apostles were Jewish, and all of His disciples were Jewish, and that they celebrated Passover. They never knew about Easter. They celebrated the feast of dedication or Hanukah, not His birthday.

They celebrated all of the feasts of the Lord. They met at the temple. They went into the synagogues on Saturday, on the Sabbath. And so what was a Jewish culture has changed to what today is a foreign culture to Jewish people, and so in a sense Jesus, Yeshua, the Messiah, has become a foreigner. Even the biblical account when we read the gospel we see that the people flocked to Him. The leaders of the Pharisees were very careful what they did with Him because they feared the people. Well, it wasn’t that they feared Indians or Chinese people, they were fearing the people of Israel, because the people of Israel were thrilled. He was famous in Israel. I believe God has called me and you to make Him famous in Israel once again.

By Christians understanding things like the Passover and being able to explain to Jewish people that, “Hey, I have become part of the covenant that God made with your people. I love and I serve your God. I worship your God. I read your book.” You see, the Jewish people have never heard that. They have been told, “You need to convert to our religion. You need to become one of us when that is not biblical. Because Christians, just like you mentioned, become part of the commonwealth of Israel. They are grafted onto the olive tree, which is their tree. The Jewish people are the natural branches. Those who were not born Jewish are wild branches grafted onto a cultivated olive tree. The Passover is such a striking example of the riches of that olive tree that are not really … Christians are not being nourished by it because they’ve bypassed it and yet, as you can see it’s so rich.

Isaac Crockett:             That gives some great perspective, JB. It helps us really understanding this context around it, and you’ve really helped this emphasize this theme that Sam started out with about the hidden meaning of Passover. It’s interesting that it’s oftentimes hidden to us as Christians, but like you said, even the understanding of Paul and his explanations in the New Testament is hidden oftentimes to the Jewish people, that they don’t realize that Jesus did come and fulfill this. Of course, on your website, Gates of Zion, there’s so many good tips and helpful things, but as a gentile believer who, as you said, were part of this commonwealth through Christ, do we need to be afraid to try to witness to Jewish people? Are we less effective because we’re not Jewish when we’re witnessing to our Jewish friends?

JB Bernstein:                It’s quite the opposite. Most Jewish people have come to faith through the witness of a gentile who’s made a decision to love Jewish people by blessing them and what is the greatest blessing that you can give to a Jewish person? Salvation. So, no. It’s the opposite of that. Gentiles, those who were not born Jewish need to understand and learn and the Apostle Paul said it clearly, “To the Jew I became as a Jew.” So to understand how to communicate to a Jewish person, that’s what my website is designed for. It used to be about my ministry.

Instead, now, it is an equipping portal designed to help Christians understand how to speak to Jewish people in their own language, through their own culture that it is their messiah who has come, and that it’s impossible that Jesus, that Yeshua, is not the Messiah and anyone that desires truth amongst the Jewish people can see that if they are gently drawn to consider these things and recognize that they don’t need to convert. In fact, the Jewish people are the only people group that do not need to convert to another religion. They need to get back to where they once belonged, as the Beatles once sang.

Isaac Crockett:             That is so helpful. Like I said earlier, it gives a different perspective that many of us aren’t really looking for, but we see this now as you explain it, that it gives an option, an impact to have with our unsaved loved ones, maybe our Jewish and the really, like you said, they don’t have to convert because that’s what Jesus, He came as Jewish. My grandfather, he just recently moved in with my aunt and uncle, but for the last 10 years he lived in a retirement community that was run by Jewish people, it’s for Jewish people. He is a survivor of the Holocaust, was part of the Dutch underground, and he came to know the Lord, but also came to have a great respect for Jewish people during his time in the Dutch underground.

It has been neat to see what you’re talking about. I found myself talking to Jewish people that there is, I think, in me an innate fear that, “Oh no. I’m an outsider. I’m a foreigner,” but to remember that Jesus Christ came and He fulfilled the law. Are there any points that we should take? Any, maybe, scripture passages that would be good for us in remembering when we’re talking to a Jewish person?

JB Bernstein:                On my website, www.GatesofZion.net I have an ebook that I wrote. It’s for free. Going on, you just need to give your email address and your name and it is sent to you by email, a link so you can have it for free. It’s called Five Steps to Provoke Jewish People to Jealousy. Yes, there is a way to really make Jewish people jealous because really as Christians have the inheritance of Israel. I teach in the little ebook I say, “When you approach a Jewish person, what you’re saying to them is, “I love, I worship, I serve your God. I am part of the covenant God made with your people.” And thanking them for the bible also speaks volumes.

Sam Rohrer:                 JB Bernstein, tremendous, tremendous information. I tell you, my heart is really touched. I have had a love for Jewish people for a long time, and I will tell you, understanding these things that you are saying makes it so very, very, very, very rich. I hope ladies and gentlemen that you are enjoying the program today. When we come back after the next segment we’re going to go and wrap this up and I’m going to ask the question, if there were no Jewish people, think about it, we’d have no resurrection. Think about that. We’re going to talk about what we should walk away from really understanding.

As we wrap up today’s program here on this Good Friday edition of Stand in the Gap Today, we’ve been blessed to have our special guest, JB Bernstein. He is a messianic evangelist, and also the founder of the Gates of Zion, which you can go to. A lot of good information three. GatesofZion.net is where you can find that. JB, as we wrap up the program, I have to say it again, it’s been a real blessing to have you on. The insights that I learned from Jewish people about what the bible says and particularly those who have come to faith in Yeshua is just an amazing thing. It’s rich, rich, rich.

If I could ask you, though, JB as we wrap this thing up here today, if there is one vital connection between the Passover, which the world is gonna be observing in just a day or two, what would be that one most important connection do you think that Christian people would remember about Passover as we are about now to celebrate Easter?

JB Bernstein:                I just wanted to say one thing. On the Passover plate, which has the matza, one of the things is a bone. The bone reminds us of the Passover and the amazing thing is that when the Passover lamb was eaten you can read in Exodus that they were to eat it in haste. They were to eat to consume the whole and not to break a bone. How interesting was it when the Lord was crucified that the soldiers went over to the first and there were two thieves that were crucified with him, they broke the bones of the first, but when they went to the messiah, they saw he was already dead and they did not break any of his bones and this fulfilled the Word of God, “Not a bone should be broken of the Passover lamb.”

So here is death of the Messiah including the way He died and even the actual event where His bones were not broken relating right to the Passover lamb that was slaughtered right before Israel left Egypt before the plague of the death of the firstborn. That, to me, it just shows the intricate design of God in this feast to bear witness and the prophetic clarity of what it was speaking about so much so that when the Lord appeared, the prophet who ( actually there was an actual empty chair for Elijah at the Passover Seder because Elijah is tied up with the coming of the Messiah) was Elijah and Yeshua said John or Elijah who is to come and he announces him, his first words when he saw Yeshua is “Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” Isn’t that absolutely amazing?

Sam Rohrer:                 Oh it is. It is. It is. Isaac.

Isaac Crockett:             Yes. It’s so amazing to hear how you describe this as Christians looking at this we see all of this coming into fruition. We see all the connections just as you’ve explained it through Passover, and it’s so wonderful to have knowledge. As we look at this Passover feast and we realize that understanding it, having the context of it makes a powerful impact on what we do as Christians on our belief and our understanding of Jesus, what He came to fulfill. We remember that the Passover is not the only feast that is celebrated. And there are many feasts on the Jewish calendar. Would you maybe take a little bit of time to tell us some of the things that are coming up next on the calendar and what we should, as believers in Jesus Christ be looking forward to with those.

JB Bernstein:                Amazingly, yesterday, Wednesday was first fruits. In other words, the Lord rose on the third day, yesterday was the third day and that is the feast called  first fruits, of course He is the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. So He rose from the dead on first fruits and now 50 days from the Sabbath following Passover, Christians know it as Pentecost and that’s when the Holy Spirit fell. So you see everything about the light of Jesus, of the Messiah, has to do with one of the feasts of the Lord. So the Lord is crucified on Passover, He is raised from the death on the Feast of first fruits. The Holy Spirit falls on Pentecost and then the next feast prophetically that has not taken place yet is the feast of trumpets.

And we know that the Lord will descend with the blast of the trumpet. So on the prophetic calendar all of the feasts of the Lord is fulfilled in Him. And so we’re waiting now. One of these feasts of trumpets, the day of the blowing of the trumpet of, not only of the trumpets, of the shout. And it says the Lord will descend with a shout. As I talk about this, it just excites me because it is so prophetic and it’s all about Him and He said, “My words are spirit and light,” and all of these feasts are the Word of God and He is the Word of God so He is all the feasts. So you can just go deeper and deeper with these realities.

Sam Rohrer:                 JB, I’ll tell you, my eyes tear. I’m thrilled to my heart by this. We’re going to have to close the program now. And you’re right. We could go much further. But I would like for you to pray here in the last remaining 45 seconds or whatever. Pray for the people of Israel. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Pray for God’s people to have a greater burden for his people and for those who are not yet saved. Could you do that please for us?

JB Bernstein:                …In the Father of the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob we ask you to open the eyes of Israel and to open the eyes of your church, of Christians, so that they begin to fulfill what you spoke about in Romans 11:11 and in fact that evangelism takes on the pattern that Paul said that, “I’m not ashamed of this gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, but to the Jew first.” Lord, restore that pattern. Fulfill Romans 11:11 and cause Christians to start making Jewish people jealous and Lord we ask you to open the eyes of Israel, Lord God. Give them dreams, visions. Bring them home. Bring them home into your arms in the mighty name of Yeshua, Jesus the Kind of Glory. Amen and Amen.

Sam Rohrer:                 Amen and amen. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being with us on this special Good Friday program, the Passover and what it means. I pray that as each of you go forward now to the balance of this day and into Easter weekend remember the Passover. Yeshua has come. The next point is He’s going to come back with the shout of the trumpet. Be ready for that.

CBN Interviews APN President, Sam Rohrer on Immigration-What Does the Bible Say?

On March 13, CBN News interviewed Sam Rohrer on the Immigration issue. To read the article and watch the video interview, click HERE.

Immigration has been a hot-button political issue in the United States.

America, like all other countries, controls and limits who may enter its territory, for how long, and on what terms, and these restrictions are a part of the laws of the nation.

In recent decades, millions of people from Latin America have bypassed this legal process, earning them the controversial designation of “illegal aliens.”

Now refugees from Arab nations has come to the forefront due to the prolonged Syrian civil war and terror attacks by Islamic extremists in many Western nations.

Many are concerned that potential terrorists could infiltrate America or other Western nations under the guise of being refugees, while others are moved by compassion for those legitimately seeking to build a new life.

The Bible has a lot to say about immigrants and immigration.

CBN News sat down for an interview to discuss this issue with Sam Rohrer. president of American Pastors Network and Jenny Yang, the director of Advocacy and Policy for World Relief.

“It’s no secret that President Trump feels strongly about putting America first and protecting her borders,” Rohrer said. “Many have reacted to that policy, including Christians who have criticized the president and claimed that his view is unloving or ungodly. But when we look at the Bible and at biblical history, it is absolutely acceptable to favor and support one’s own country.”

Rohrer says, in his opinion, if we understand God’s view—a biblical worldview—we understand that God forms nations.

“Nations have personalities,” Rohrer continued. “Consider Israel, a very distinctive nation. God picked Israel and said, ‘I’m going to make of you, Abraham, a great nation and I am going to bless the nations of the world,’ so God clearly favors nations. With that comes the ability and the right to support nations and to pray for them. When we pray for those in authority, we don’t necessarily pray for everyone in positions of authority everywhere in the world. The idea is that we pray for those in authority over us and in our nation.”

The idea of “our nation first” is indeed biblical, Rohrer added. This concept fits the biblical precedent and the model of what God established with Israel.

World Relief’s Yang has a different perspective.

“The core responsibility of government is to protect our borders. But I think the immigration debate is bigger than that. We have spent an unprecedented amount of resources on the border so far,” she said.

“We have a pretty tight border, where the number of illegal crossings have been on the decline. So right now I think the question is not does a country have a right to protect its borders. Which I think it does. But the question is what is being done to fix our broken immigration laws and ensure the people who are living in the shadows actually come out of the shadows,” Yang continued.

Yang says there are only three commandments of love in the Old Testament.

“It’s to love God, to love your neighbor, and love the immigrant,” she told CBN News. “I think we can still be a welcoming country to immigrants, while also protecting national security and borders, and that is what our Congress is trying to do right now.”

APN Conducts Conference Call for Pastors on Matters of Church Security-April 12, 2018

Theme: Top Reasons Why Church Security Should be a Priority

When: Tuesday, April 12, 9:00 am EDT

 Our culture is in desperate need of Christ and what better place to learn of Him than in the Church?  But it comes with many questions and concerns for those who have been affected by or heard about violence and shootings in churches.  Even pastors are asking:

  • Why do churches need security?
  • Must I turn my church into an armed fortress?
  • How can we reach out to people and dispel their fear when they sit in my church?
  • What should a church security plan look like?
  • Who should a church security plan involve?
  • How do I organize a church security plan?

These and other church security questions were addressed in this informative conference call with men who understand and practice church security.  From church security consultants who have assisted churches in setting up a security plan and pastors whose churches have a security plan in place, to laymen who lead a church security team, this call covered the entire range of  church security.  Opportunity was also given for participants to ask their own questions.

 

To listen to the recorded conference call, please click HERE.

Hosts:

  • Hon. Sam Rohrer, APN President
  • Dr. Keith Wiebe, VP State Chapter Development

Presenters:

  • JR McGee – church security consultant
  • Adam Hock – church security consultant
  • Pastor Keith Wiebe, Jr – Pastor
  • Dan Turner – local church security team leader
  • Pastor Keith Carnahan – Pastor

American Pastors Network Leader Sam Rohrer: As China Pushes Toward Despotic One-Man Rule, World Should Be Shocked Into Reality That Freedom Is Not Default Position in Atheistic and God-Rejecting Nations

The American democratic process, while perhaps imperfect, ultimately gives the people the power to elect their leaders for limited terms, which allows for growth, fresh turnover and the ongoing exchange of ideas.

But in China, the process looks much different, and the American Pastors Network (APN) recently discussed China, the security threat and its position to control the world on a recent “Stand in the Gap Today” radio program, which is a ministry of APN.

On a program last week, titled “The China Security Threat: Positioning to Control the World,” APN President and “Stand in the Gap Today” host Sam Rohrer explored how President Donald Trump andVice President Mike Pence have been directly involved in China’s politics, especially as the president has announced plans for new tariffs that could change the way the U.S. and China do business together.

“While the U.S. elects leaders for two, four or six years,” Rohrer said on the show, “quietly but with enormously scary potential is China, whose parliament voted to give lifetime ruling power to Xi Jinping. May we submit: president for life, king for life or, even more likely, dictator for life? President Trump, in his comments surrounding the need to rebuild the U.S. military and his decision to impose stiff tariffs on imported steel and aluminum, has cited security and China’s global ambitions as some of the biggest threats to America.

“Namely, China, the largest nation in the world, has just pushed itself from moving toward democratic rule to despotic one-man rule,” Rohrer added. “The world should be horrified and shocked back into reality that freedom is not the default position in life and certainly not in atheistic and God-rejecting nations. It is this action, when combined with other major efforts to control the world, that should cause us all to sit up and pay attention to China’s efforts to control the skies and seas in its quest to control the world.”

Listen to these clips from “Stand in the Gap Today” regarding “The China Security Threat: Positioning to Control the World:”

Photo by Arol Viñolas on Unsplash

3-13-18: A Biblical Remedy for the Epidemic of School Violence

Isaac Crockett:             Well, thank you so much for tuning into our program. I’m joined today by Sam Rohrer, the president of the American Pastors Network and the host of this program. Also, by Dr. Gary Dull, the executive director of our Pennsylvania Pastors Network. He’s the senior pastor of Faith Baptist Church in Altoona, Pennsylvania. I’m Isaac Crockett, senior pastor at Hamburg Bible Church in Hamburg, Pennsylvania. We will also be joined in our program today by Jamison Coppola, the Legislative Director for the American Association of Christian Schools.

So, there’s a lot going on today and we’ve just heard some recent news about our President and someone that he has fired and someone that he has hired. A lot of times the office of President we can forget is about more than just the Oval Office, it’s about the team, the Cabinet that he brings together, so seeing now that Rex Tillerson is out as Secretary of State, and Mike Pompeo is in brings a whole change to things as they’re going. Sam, I’d just like to start our program by asking you kind of on the spot here what you think about that switch and what you think will happen going forward if this is a positive thing for our country?

Sam Rohrer:                 Yeah, absolutely, Isaac, I think it’s worthy of making comment about because it’s a big change. I don’t think anyone should really underestimate the magnitude of this change. The Secretary of State as we know play a very, very important and critical role throughout any presidential administration, but the Secretary of State in order to really maximize the policies of the administration really needs to be in sync, fully in sync with the direction from the President. In my opinion, Rex Tillerson has filled the position with honor, but I don’t think he’s ever really been fully on the same page as the President. He does not fully share the views about the Middle East, Jerusalem and Israel. He’s been very soft on matters relative to the President’s direct front and discussion with the globalists at the United Nations as an example on a range of issues. That’s a difficult position to be in for the President, so to make a switch is not really a surprise.

To do it in this way with this announcing it by a tweet I think is interesting. The whole world knows so it’s effectively done, but the replacement with Mike Pompeo who is sitting in over there now as the Director of the CIA, I think is a really, really good move. I’ll say it for this couple of reasons. One, Mike Pompeo is known by the congressional body more than they knew Tillerson, number one. Number two, Pompeo’s relationship with Mike Pence relationship alignment on issues relative to Israel and Jerusalem, and his position on the globalist position, America First position has been very clear.

I also think here is another point I think as we talk about in days going forward Mike Pompeo has learned a great deal by sitting on top of the CIA relative to the infiltration that happened in that agency in homeland security and definitely throughout the Department of State under the Obama administration. They loaded those departments up with a lot of anti-American globalist Islamic sympathetic type individuals to all of those. Now I think that Mike Pompeo now has a good grasp of where perhaps some of those people are lying and the State Departments needed a significant clean out. I think that Mike Pompeo is going to provide the leadership in concert with the President, but I also think he’s going to be able to help clean out the State Department of the moles and the obstacles to making America great again.

Isaac Crockett:             Well, very good, thank you, that was great, especially for being put on the spot that really helps us put our heads around this. Some are surprised about this, but really all the way back into late fall of last year there were rumors that this move might happen, so it’s kind of been out there and to see this happen it is kind of positive is what you’re saying there’s a positive to it. Kind of moving on now to one of the other team members who seems to be working very well with the President is the Secretary of Education, Nancy DeVos. She’s been chosen to lead a commission to investigate better ways to protect our schools from gun violence in particular.

Here with our biblical worldview that we point out everyday on our program we know that the Bible clearly teaches that God appoints government authorities, he gives us church authorities, and he gives us parents authorities at home so, Gary, how do you think that all three of these authorities can work together and really need to work together maybe for our communities in particular, for our schools, and do you think that if they don’t come together in a biblical fashion that we might continue to see more problems in our schools and in our communities?

Gary Dull:                     Well, Isaac, I think it’s absolutely important for all three of these entities to come together, the government, the church, and the home. The reason why is that number one, because those are all three God’s institutions. They are not institutions of a secular world. They are institutions from divine appointee itself if you’d put it that way, divine design itself. I think that if you could get all three of these entities together, government, church and home, and I want to put into there as a part of the government the education system. If you could get all three of these entities together from the biblical perspective than I believe that you would be able to see progress of what’s going on in our communities, in our schools, in society.

One of the problems is that these three entities have been at odds with each other over the years, but if we could get all three entities together from the biblical perspective on the same page according to the biblical worldview, and I stress that, according to the biblical worldview we would see I believe an improvement in society. I think that we’d see an improvement on this gun issue and whatever the case may be as it’s going on in the world around us. We need to pray that there is a close association that’s based upon biblical truth in these three entities, Isaac. I just want to say as I was thinking about this earlier I think that those of us who are in the authority in the church, Christian leaders in the church ought to take the lead in this, Isaac.

Isaac Crockett:             That’s a very good point, too, so pray and churches take a lead. Sam, of these three authorities, which one do you think needs to have the biggest role in really helping change our young people, reducing violence in schools, but the suicides and the other violent things that are happening, which of these three is going to be the most important for changing our young people’s lives?

Sam Rohrer:                 Well, Isaac, that’s kind of hard to put a priority for this reason. God really established all of them to work together like fingers in a glove not like fingers in a mutt, in a-

Gary Dull:                     Mitt, a mitt.

Sam Rohrer:                 In a mitten, not trying to get in a mitten. They have to be separate, but they have to be distinct. Now, ultimately, it’s the family. The family is the first contact for the children and if the parents or the family falls down, or fails to function as God intends then, ultimately, the church fails and, ultimately, civil government fails, so it’s got to start with the family, but the church and civil government have to be able to facilitate to help make that possible. They can’t keep interfering with it.

Isaac Crockett:             Welcome back to the program. We’ve been talking about some moves that President Trump made to help make America safe and he put Mike Pompeo in as Secretary of State. He has the Secretary of Education, Nancy DeVos looking for ways to make our school safer, and then we talked about, ultimately, that all of our God given authorities, the authority of the government, the church and in the home they need to work together, and that the church needs to be a part of this, that families need to be a part of their own children, that they’re rearing their children not just expecting the government or the church to do that, so we want to talk about this more. We have a special guest with us today, Jamison Coppola is the Legislative Director for the American Association of Christian Schools. Thank you so much, Jamison, for joining us on our program today.

Jamison Coppola:         Isaac, thanks so much for having me. It’s a privilege to be with you today.

Isaac Crockett:             Now our public education system has changed a lot in our country, especially, over the last 100 years. I think many of us could look back in history and find times in our country or at least in parts of our country where our school systems were a result of God fearing people in the government, and in the church, and in the home working together on the same page. Unfortunately, in the last quite a few decades it feels like in many ways they’re not working together. In some ways it almost feels like they’re working against each other at times so we have this movement now of Christian schools that has come about in the last few decades. Jamison, could you maybe give us just a little bit of an outline or history or background of this modern Christian school movement that is going on in our country today?

Jamison Coppola:         Yeah, sure, I’d be happy to talk about that a little. I’m glad you said the modern Christian school movement because one of the things that occasionally I get to do in D.C. is to remind people here that make policy that the first public education law in our country was called the Old Deluder Satan Act. That, sometimes, garners a quizzical look. I think they think I’m teasing them about it, but for years I think that because of the Christian culture that we had Christian schools reflected that culture, and there was a difficult time drawing a hard distinction between the Christian culture and what the public schools taught and how they practiced, but of course, we know that that’s not the case anymore. The modern Christian school movement as we talk about it I think came about as a reaction to an American culture that had rejected Christian teaching, Christian practice.

I might set the point of that back to maybe even the Scopes Trial when we technically won the trial, but lost the cultural mood about what Christians felt was true, what we believe is true, what we know to be true, so Christians began to sense a need for educating their children in distinctly Christian worldview and those ideas. The Christian school movement began to sprout as the culture became increasingly secular. As those decisions filtered into the public school system Christians felt the need to withdraw and we saw the pinnacle of that reach probably in the ’80s maybe even into the ’90s, but really we started to see the fruit of that idea that we had to withdraw from the culture for the purpose of educating our children happened probably in the ’50s and ’60s.

Gary Dull:                     Certainly it’s a delight to have you with us today, Jamison. Thank you very, very much. I know that the American Association of Christian Schools is a great ministry, and just wondering if you could share with our audience a brief history of the AACS and tell our listeners the important role it plays today, particularly, as it relates to developing the biblical worldview and teaching such in the hearts and the minds of our young people.

Jamison Coppola:         Yes, well, I’m privileged to be part of the American Association of Christian Schools. I look back at the history of the Association and the organization and I’m thankful for the men who very early on, 1972 is the year we look at as our founding. I’m thankful for a group of men that saw a great need for not only starting Christian schools developing them, but helping them to advance. We look to Al Janney, our Florida guy back in 1972 that started the American Association of Christian Schools. I often think I would have loved to have met him, and did not have that privilege because he’s a hero in the Christian school movement.

We’ve been growing since then. We’ve continued to grow throughout different leadership changes. God has been so good to us, and we continue with good stability. I would say one of the benefits of the AACS is the strength you have in association and numbers. It gives you opportunity to learn from each other, to refine what we’re doing in Christian education, to improve our academics. The whole world is God’s world and we need good teachers that will teach strong academics from a biblical worldview. The AACS is a federation of state associations. They come together to form the national association for the purpose of protection of Christian schools, refinement and improvement of Christian schools, and the strength that comes with fellowship with each other.

Sam Rohrer:                 Well, Jamison, let me jump in here if I can with you. You’re obviously working out of Washington, D.C. as you’re describing it’s the American Association of Christian Schools so you have state chapters, you have a national entity for which you work in D.C. Can you give an example or two of something and again, I’m catching you off guard here, but an example or two perhaps of pieces of legislation where AACS was instrumentally involved in helping to prevent a restriction further on Christian education or parents’ rights in Christian education, something of that type, give me an example of something that AACS has done either proactively or to prevent something from happening?

Jamison Coppola:         Sure. As a recent example, and as you said I work in Washington, D.C. my job is to make sure that our schools can maintain their autonomy and mission. So much we see the federal government overstepping some of what we believe are constitutional boundaries, and injecting itself into what should be state and local level decisions, so our job is to help in a federal level. You’ve probably heard, my suspicion is that you’ve heard of the tax reform bill that was recently signed. In the initial House version of that in order to streamline the tax code, and in order to close some perceived loopholes and such the House took out some really important benefits that our schools have to provide for our teachers. We were able to very quickly join with several of our allies that we’d built relationships with to speak to the Senate and say, “Listen, especially in light of a school choice movement if you go forward with following the House version of this bill you’ll severely hurt Christian schools.”

I think it was a bit of a revelation to many of our legislators and their staff because I think they had thought of it in terms of the higher dollar colleges, and we’re giving these benefits to professors that are making a good salary, and their children are going to college with a benefit from the school itself, for the teacher’s family, and not paying taxes on that amount. When we are able to express to them the sacrifice that Christian school teachers make, and the damage it would do financially to those very teachers that are making school choice possible the harm it would do to Christian schools the Senate was eager to help us make sure that those tax benefits were retained in the tax reform. Then we worked again with the conference committee to make sure that they were maintained in conference and I’m happy to say the three tax issues that were of deep concern to Christian schools were addressed and they were retained in the tax law that was signed by the President.

Gary Dull:                     Jamison, as Isaac mentioned we talk a lot about biblical worldview here, and several years ago I took a survey of a number of Christian schools on the concept of the biblical worldview and what it is and how they taught it, and I found that many of the Christian schools and I’m very-very, pro-pro, Christian-Christian school-school, to get the point, but a number of the Christian schools that I interviewed seemingly did not have a good approach in teaching the biblical worldview, so from the position that you hold in the American Association of Christian Schools can you share with our listeners how the AACS really does get involved in teaching that biblical worldview in the hearts and the minds of their students please?

Jamison Coppola:         Sure. I think that’s an essential discussion. I think biblical worldview has to form the heart, the core of what we’re about as Christian school movement is essential. We have to make sure that we define terms. We need to understand what Christian worldview really is and what it isn’t, and to narrow it down on that. I was an administrator for eight years of a K to 12 school and I think when I entered into that environment I was a little suspicious of people that were talking about Christian worldview. The terminology was unfamiliar to me, but once I began to really see what Christian worldview is it was the essential core truths of Christianity.

I realized that in my school I was lacking in some of the ways we were approaching how to teach that to our students, so that became a burden a mission of mine. I think AACS helps schools by really partnering with them. We have been very big in the last few years especially in school accreditation. Accreditation is an opportunity for other educators to visit you at your school and to help you evaluate what you do against some universal principles of quality of excellence. One of those things is how are we living out, how are we articulating, how are we teaching a biblical worldview? AACS provides a lot of help for schools to really establish and to improve our ability to reach Christian schools, so I think it’s helpful. I think it’s essential to the Christian school movement.

Isaac Crockett:             Well, thank you, guys. So much thoughtful information here. We need to be able to define our terms just because something says it’s a Christian school we need to be able to evaluate whether it’s really teaching a Christian worldview getting down to the basics, the essentials. Well, we’ve been talking in our program about how important a biblical worldview is when it comes to educating our children and to working together all of God’s authorities working together to rear our children, but the family in particular, parents rearing their children in the nurture of the Lord.

We’ve talked about our new Secretary of Education under Donald Trump, Nancy DeVos, we mentioned her at the beginning and the committee that she’s heading up right now on school safety. When she was nominated for that position there were many who said that she would be an advocate for what they talk about school choice. I think Jamison even mentioned that at one point on the program already. Jamison, could you maybe explain to our listeners what we mean by school choice and maybe tell us what are some of the options that are out there in some of the states and possible options down the road from the federal government that could empower parents to be able to choose where and how their children will be educated?

Jamison Coppola:         Sure, I think that school choice is an important discussion and I think that it’s very relevant. You mentioned Secretary DeVos, she has a history, a portfolio of being an advocate for school choice. I think that might be in large part why she was selected even as Secretary of Education. I think the movement is aptly named because even as we were talking about earlier the Christian school movement came out of the public school environment in order to provide a choice, so when we talk about school choice we’re talking about parents primarily being able to choose for their children the school, the education that they think best suits their needs. In fact, as Americans we value individuals. We value individual choice. We have choice when it comes to everything, every aspect of life except it seems in a very few areas and one of those would be public education there’s very little choice, so school choice is an effort.

As a matter of fact, I like the fact that many people are not describing it as parental choice. In order to more accurately describe what we’re trying to do we’re trying to give parents the option for choosing the education that best suits their children, so for religious people that often is a Christian education for people concerned about values, morality, what the Bible says that’s going to be a Christian school. It’s an important movement. It’s something essential that I think has to move forward. AACS is involved in the discussion about what that may look on the federal level. We are constitutionalists and we are conservatives. We have concerns about how much the federal government already does at the federal level, but there are some options, there are some ways the federal government can encourage school choice. There are programs being discussed that would benefit parents in certain circumstances and not run roughshod over state’s rights.

Sam Rohrer:                 Jamison, there’s an awful lot we could pursue on this issue. When I was in the Pennsylvania House I led the issue and led the bill on parental choice. It was a lengthy debate over a number, number of years, but that’s where we went because we said ultimately it’s the parent’s choice. You and you already mentioned it really biblically and constitutionally the federal government’s role in education is limited at the best, but yet we have a Secretary of Education, we have the concept of choice, which is very American, how does the American Association of Christian Schools how do you when you relay in talking to people, the parents who are obviously making the decisions about the matter of Christian education how do you take and impart and prioritize the biblical responsibility and duty as it comes to the educating of our children? Can you explain just a little bit of a worldview on that piece if you could for us?

Jamison Coppola:         Well, sure, I think the scriptures are filled with the admonitions and obligations that parents have and that parents are the primary sources of a child’s education, so culturally in America we have a system of education. We have pedagogies and methodologies that look like what most people expect from a traditional school, and that as a culture that’s how we educate our students, but I never let myself forget as a school administrator and I remind people frequently that the parent has to be engaged. We say in the Christian school movement that we partner with parents, but sometimes it’s easy to usurp the parent’s authority even as a Christian school ministry.

I made it my mission as an administrator to bring my parents along with me in talking about worldview their obligations. In fact, I felt sometimes that as an administrator of a K to 12 school I spent more time teaching teachers and teaching parents than I did anything else my primary job. When it comes to the biblical worldview the foundational unit is the family. God charged Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, to subdue, to have dominion. All of those things are best fulfilled in families, so families have to be the primary educators. Parents have to be engaged and take that as a responsibility. We as Christian educators can continue to remind ourselves of that and help parents see that biblical truth in God’s word and help them own that responsibility as we partner with them.

Gary Dull:                     You know, that’s a very good point that you bring out there, Jamison, because even though as we read the scripture we find that it all begins with the parents, and you can see that early on in the Book of Genesis and other places, yet we find that parents need to be taught, number one, what a biblical worldview is and, number two, how they can partner along with the church and the Christian school.

I’m glad to hear you say that many times you had to teach both the parents and the teachers on what this whole concept of the biblical worldview actually is, but even though we’ve talked about how the young person can benefit from being grounded in the biblical worldview are there other advantages to encouraging parents to choose to have their children in the Christian school? I’ve often heard parents say who are not necessarily in support of the Christian school, “Well, you are only putting your child in there to protect them from the world.” That’s not a good philosophy and that’s not what a good Christian school does, but what are the benefits, the many benefits of having a child in that good solid Christian school?

Jamison Coppola:         Sure, it’s a common discussion. I think many surveys when parents are surveyed about why they choose a Christian school that faith environment is at the top, or near the top in almost every single discussion when you talk to a parent about it. There is something about the innocence and maturing process in children that requires some level of protection, right? We want to nurture them. We want to make sure that they’re not exposed to some of the philosophical and physical dangers that we know are in the world, but the primary reason for parents choosing Christian education I think has to be because they see a God given biblical responsibility to train their children to live out a discipleship, a sincere walk with their creator. I think that if you have a biblical worldview of creation, of the life we live, of culture that the Christian school all of those things meet in a Christian school, right? We’re trying to educate kids on a foundational objective truth about who God is and his instruction through the Bible, and we’re trying to help them to live out their potential.

So, because we have that as our core our kids do live out their potential. On national test scores our students test higher than the national averages in general. I was in a discussion recently, and some educators in Washington, D.C. that want to try to find, I can’t remember the terminology they used, something, oh, scalable. They want to find scalable solutions and they want to know why Christian schools do so well at getting kids to college and I said, “We do a good job. Our graduates in high percentages go to college, but that’s not our mission. We are not organized. We’re not trying to find ways to get kids to college. We’re trying to have kids to live out their God given potential and because we have that as a motivation a lot of kids choose to pursue that.” I think it starts with a biblical worldview and then everything else, academic success, preparation for life comes out of that, and the success is there if you look at it.

Isaac Crockett:             Welcome back to the program. It’s hard to believe that we’re already towards the end of the program, time flies. We’ve been talking about Christian education the importance for parents to make sure that their children are being reared in a Godly way, and not just relying on the government. So many times people point out the problems and the flaws in our public schools, but it ultimately goes back to the parent. Oftentimes, I preach from my pulpit that every student, every parent really they are responsible for homeschooling their children, and I said, “You might homeschool your children not by necessarily teaching them all of their subjects at home, but by making sure that you are training them to fear God, and to know the word of God at home. You may use a public school for their education, you may use a Christian or a private school, or you may use a homeschooling environment, but ultimately the education of your children is the responsibility of you as a Christian parent.”

We’ve been talking about how the American Association of Christian Schools comes together empowering parents, helping parents to make these choices, helping reinforce a biblical worldview, and showing our children and training our children in the way they need to go. Our special guest is Jamison Coppola. He’s the Legislative Director for the AACS. Before we go any further, Jamison, could you just give our listeners a little information maybe website, or other information that they could get some background on the AACS, or go to a place to find out more about your group there?

Jamison Coppola:         Sure. Our website is AACS, just like the initials, .org. It’s a great resource for people interested in Christian education, parents who want to know more about the association maybe their school is a part of, or for folks looking to start a school, so AACS.org.

Sam Rohrer:                 Okay, Jamison, thanks for that. I would encourage our listeners to take advantage of that. Your children are in a Christian school, and they’re perhaps not a part of AACS, encourage your leadership to make that contact, that national representation, Jamison, that you’re talking about that adds influence and that’s really important as you’re trying to on that front there in Washington, D.C. help to prevent bad pieces of legislation and to encourage better ones.

Let me go here with you right now. We don’t have enough time here to cover the movement of education within our country because at one point there was no public education it was all at home. Then public education was put in place to help those who could not feasibly, or in any way homeschool their children effectively or with a mentor. Then it has grown to now, the dominant is public education it gets most of the money, and then you have homeschools, and you have Christian schools, but if you were to look at right now as you look at this new generation that’s coming up what would you say is the greatest threat to Christian education as you are witnessing and seeing, is it government? Is it just a secular attitude? Is it parents who don’t see the need that they haven’t had the teaching, the primary educators of their children, or something else, what would it be?

Jamison Coppola:         Well, in terms of the public education system I would say I think it’s how you framed it. I might describe it as the death of truth. Now, Of course, truth can never die, but people’s beliefs in truth can die. I just don’t see a lot of areas in education in our country where objective truth that there is a reality and that reality is both physical, in this physical world there are certain truths that play out, but it’s also in the spiritual world. When you lose truth like that, or even if you lose the ability to logically work the process of critical thinking to get to the point of some absolute fixed principle, some truth, it’s dangerous.

Our culture right now values interpretation over everything else. Every person is left to himself, or to the pressures that surround him from a group, or an interest to define reality, and that’s just not real. It’s not a truth, so I think in public education we’ve mistaken what pluralism is, and instead sent the message that there’s no objective through absolute truth, everybody’s opinion is just as valid as anybody else, and that’s opposite, in Christian education we’re still teaching there’s a fixed point of reference for truth, that’s God himself and he’s communicated through his word, so let’s figure that out, let’s study that together, let’s grow in our ability to understand that and follow after it.

Gary Dull:                     That’s a very, very excellent answer, Jamison. Of course, you took some of the thoughts right out of my lips, so I’m not going to ask you the questions that I was going to ask because you’ve already answered them, but there could be some parents listening to us right now who are sort in their mind determining whether or not they should send their children to a Christian school. What would you say to them to encourage them to do so, and maybe just again recap some of the general benefits that there would be for having their children in the Christian school?

Jamison Coppola:         Yeah, what better place to learn about Christ, to learn about our Savior then at a Christian school. We’re followers of Jesus [inaudible 00:33:17] I mean, you just have that in spades at a Christian school. You have a constant infiltration of the thinking of the mind of Christ, so because that is primary there’s all sorts of side benefits, right? I love C.S. Lewis in his talks about seeking first things, seeking first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

Christian schools are great places. They’re joyful places. They’re active places. They’re forward-looking places. They’re just great places to be involved, to get involved. Go visit a Christian school. Many of them want you to come and visit. I yearned for parents to come learn about. I wanted them to sit in my classroom and hear my teachers, see my teachers, meet my students. I wanted their children to come and spend time in my school to see what it was like. I can’t encourage parents enough to just find out what Christian education is about. It’s an exciting, joyful, purposeful place where your children will be taught the truth of God’s word, how to have a relationship with him, and how to follow our Savior.

Isaac Crockett:             Wow, what a great idea to try that out to go visit a Christian school if you’re thinking about that. Sam, you have a lot of experience both with Christian school, homeschool, and with our Pennsylvania State Education system. Could you maybe give us your final thoughts and then close our program in prayer today?

Sam Rohrer:                 I’d be glad to, Isaac. Really, Jamison, I want to thank you for your commentary today. You’ve done, I think, a very, very expert job of putting pieces together, but this, Isaac, is a very complex issue. I’d say at the heart, at the foundation, parents must understand that they are their children’s first teachers always and will be, and it’s God who has given the responsibility to parents to teach their children, the fathers particularly, and then their grandchildren. The church, though, must teach the biblical principles so that parents are encouraged to do what the Bible says, and to connect the dots of how to do it. Then government needs to recognize that it’s primarily the parent’s job augmented by the church. Then it’s theirs just to make sure that the freedom is there not to do it, not to arrange it and to tell the church or families what it’s all about. If those pieces are in place then I think, Isaac, it works out.

APN Partners with Biblically Responsible Investing to Focus on Christian Stewardship

The American Pastors Network radio program, Stand in the Gap Today, will feature guest William J. Parker, founder of Biblically Responsible Investing most Friday’s to discuss Christian stewardship. The name of this program is Money Mission Friday and can be heard from 12-1pm EST.  To listen LIVE click here.

We view the concept of Biblically Responsible Investing (BRI) as investing that seeks to please and glorify God as a vital act of worship. In an effort to worship God through the investment selection, BRI is an investment decision making process that applies Christian values to issues facing shareholders and stakeholders regarding moral, environmental, social, corporate governance, and applicable Biblical principles. This coupled with traditional financial analysis provides a platform for investment decisions that allows us to view our role as stewards of God’s gifts to us and also respect the foundational beliefs of our shared Christian faith. There are a variety of terms used by investors and funds that describe this same concept. Among them are: Faith Based Investing, Values Investing, Christian Values Investing, Morally Responsible Investing, Stewardship Investing, and many others. (www.briinvesting.com)

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William J. Parker is the Chief Executive Officer of GrandView Asset Management, a firm which offers fee based money management headquartered in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. The firm has been family run since 1962. William is also the Chief Executive Officer of GrandView 401k Advisors. Grandview 401k Advisors is an independent consulting firm that creates qualified and nonqualified retirement programs. GrandView 401k Advisors sets itself apart by educating the business owners as well as the employees so they may retire successfully.

With over three decades of experience, William Parker understands the gamut of investments, markets, and services that are available to help individuals, families, and businesses plan for their financial needs. He understands the various vehicles, both qualified and non-qualified, available to help businesses structure benefit plans in order to retain current employees as well as attract and recruit new employees.

William served as the Mayor of Paxtang from 2000 to 2004. William is the host of an investment radio program on WHP-580 every Saturday morning from 6 to 7 am. William expanded to Clear Channels stations in both Harrisburg and the Lancaster market place in March of 2011.

He is the father of five children, three of whom are living with Fragile X and Autism. William Parker primarily concentrates his philanthropic efforts on children with disabilities. Demonstrating his commitment to give back, he has served on several national and regional boards including the MIND Institute at UC Davis (California) and The National Fragile X Foundation, and founded the Center for Autism and Developmental Disabilities at Philhaven. William also serves on the National Autism Society Board. In addition, he also advances the cause by working with officials at both the state and federal levels to increase funding for research and services on behalf of individuals with special needs.

William Parker and his wife, Deborah, reside in Palmyra, Pennsylvania with their children.