“Many people have been killed.” That is the exact statement that was made yesterday by Florida Senator Bill Nelson at approximately 4:00 pm, and of course that to which he was referring was the shooting that occurred yesterday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
The shooting, as best we can tell from the limited timeline that has been released, commenced around 2:30 am yesterday afternoon, with initial reports of 20-50 people being injured and 14 being taken to the hospital. Well, now we know that 17 to this point have lost their lives and those that were injured are in the range that was initially reported yesterday.
Ladies and gentlemen, we’re going to be talking about what happened at that school in Florida yesterday. That’s going to be crux of our program today as we discuss this theme: Curative Solutions or Treating Merely Symptoms.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a problem in the United States of America. We have a violence issue at our schools. This is the 18th such shooting at a public school since the start of this year, so there is a problem. But the question that begs to be answered is what is the solution to this problem? Is it greater restriction of gun ownership? Is it more gun control? Is it the elimination of assault-type weapons, the AR-15, which was the weapon that was used yesterday? Is that the solution or is there a deeper answer to the problem as far as a solution.
And with that, I want to welcome you to Stand in the Gap Today. I am Dave Kistler, President of Hope Ministries International and Hope to the Hill in Washington DC. And I’m joined today by the American Pastors Network President, Sam Rohrer.
And we also have a special guest that is going to be with us throughout the majority of the program. It’s Pastor Bob Burgess, New Testament Baptist Church, Ravenna, Ohio. But what Bob brings to the table in addition to his love of God, his love of the word of God, his love of his church people, he also has a 37 year background in law enforcement. So he’s going to bring all of that to the table and to the discussions today.
So I implore you to stay tuned. You may want to pick up your phone. Call a friend, a neighbor, someone that you know that would be benefited greatly by our conversation today as we try to drill down, again, on this theme: Curative Solutions or Treating Merely the Symptom.
Sam, I want to go to you first. Obviously yesterday was a disturbing day. I’ve seen some of the videos from inside the school. I immediately called another law enforcement friend of both mine and yours and he actually said, “Dave, my son attended that very high school when he went to high school.” And so, he has a somewhat vested interest in what took place yesterday.
But almost immediately, Sam, the cries for greater restrictions on guns commenced in a press conference just about an hour ago. Both the Superintendent of the school system there in Broward County as well as the Broward County Sheriff addressed that something has to be done.
Before I ask you a question with respect to that, I just want to get your overall take and a little bit of your feel, maybe even as a dad, which I am. Bob is as well. What you thought yesterday as you saw those young people streaming by the scores, some of them walking, others running with their hands above their head to get out of another horrific shooting situation.
Well, Dave, my heart went out to them as a father of five sons, one daughter and a lot of grandchildren, as you and Bob would as well. I think any sensitive-thinking person, their heart would go out because that’s not the kind of thing that we expect, nor do we want to see when our children are away at school or frankly anyplace.
But, you know, while I’m looking at that, I’m thinking, “You know, here again,” and you did say, this is the 18th time this year where we’ve seen violence of this type in schools. But when you take it, Dave, and you put together the numbers of violent actions that are taking place within our cities, where murders are taking place, and in society across the board, I look at that and I say, “Oh, oh, oh.” My heart grieves for the culture. Grieves for my country. Grieves for the time when our people once having a respect for others and for life and for property now find those things to be so not valuable and not worthy of being protected.
And it tells me we have shifted. We have turned a corner in our nation. You cannot deny it anymore. And of course, that’s where we going to get to in this program. But that’s what I first began to think, and my mind goes right to, “What does God say about this? How does God look at this circumstance? And how is God looking at our nation when we see these kinds of things occur?”
Well, ladies and gentlemen, that is exactly where we’re going to go in the remainder of the program, but I want to go to our special guest today, Pastor Bob Burgess, New Testament Baptist Church, Ravenna, Ohio. Again, a veteran of 37 years in all aspects of law enforcement.
Bob, I know you watched this yesterday, thoroughly familiar with much of what your eyes saw as the news reported. These kids running out of this high school there in Parkland, Florida, which is a very affluent area of Broward County. There’s many professional athletes who have homes there. It’s in the extreme northern part of the county, actually near Palm Beach County, which is north of Broward.
Bob, as you watched all of that yesterday, from, first of all, a pastoral perspective, what were you thinking?
As I saw the live reports breaking in on the news breaks, I cried out, “Oh God, no.” As I saw news footage, I thought to myself, “Here we go again. How long will it be, Lord, before we get this?” And when I say “get this”, Dave, Sam, I preached the message in my church a week ago Sunday.
This subject had haunted my heart about what was going on. I asked my sound man to please not record the first part of what I was saying. I will tell you now, on-air, what I was saying. I was giving advice to our public safety folks in our congregation, our school superintendent that’s one of my deacons, our safety officers that are in schools that attend our congregation. I said, “The Lord has really laid upon my heart something that is rather devious in nature that I’m looking at and I want to tell you that when you have these fire drills or you have these alarms that are pulled, to please, please consider changing how you approach this, where you put your people. Get with your safety services and have them, perhaps, use their equipment to make a safe area to send people because we’re in such a deviant society today, Satan has such power today, that I’m afraid that these things that are meant for our protection are going to be used for ill will.
And here I come to find out, only a couple of weeks later, that a fire alarm was pulled by this fellow in Florida.
And then our special guest is Pastor Bob Burgess of New Testament Baptist Church, Ravenna, Ohio. Of course, he not only is a seasoned pastor, but he has 37 years of law enforcement experience in his background. He’s been a SWAT commander, he has worked within the legal side, the judicial side of the police and law enforcement community as well.
And so, he is a man with rich experience and brings all that experience to the table today as we discuss this theme: Curative Solutions or Treating Only the Symptoms. And ladies and gentlemen, what we’re talking about is this horrific shooting that took place yesterday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
And within the last hour, the President of the United States has weighed in. And I will not play a segment of his speech or really go into too much detail, but I want to point out two things he said, which I thought were outstanding. He said no child in the United States of America should have to feel unsafe when they go to school and no parent should have to have apprehension when they kiss their child goodbye in the morning. And I agree with all of that.
The question, though, is, how do we ensure that our children are safe at school and how do we make sure that parents do not have to be afraid when they say goodbye to their children each morning and send them off to school or drop them off at school.
Sam, I want to go to you first because, as is usually the case, the cries for greater restrictions on guns has commenced in earnest and I want you to address that, if you would. But Sam, I want to go here and ask my question this way. In your opinion, with the removal of God, Bible reading, prayer, that took place in 1962 from the public schools of the United States of America, in essence, what we did was declare our schools a God-free zone. That’s basically what we were doing. And now, all these years later, we’re having these horrific acts that are occurring inside the places that ought to be the most safe place in our country.
In your opinion, what might or what would have been different even yesterday if this school and all schools around the country had or would allow access to God’s Ten Commandments to student, the Fifth Commandment of which says clearly “Thou shalt not kill.”
Well, Dave, I think that you’ve made a connection there that I hope all of our listeners understand to be legitimate and clear. ‘Cause I was going to go right there with the matter of the Ten Commandments. Let me hearken back here to two things. First of all, here in Pennsylvania, William Penn, I’ve cited it before, with his frame of government, which upon the other founders referred when our whole basis of law was put in place, very clearly said this. That free republic, this wholly experiment in self-government, and that’s what we have, this is an experiment in self-government, could only survive, get off the ground or continue if the people, the citizens, the average person and those in office, limited their actions and submitted themselves, their choices, to that of God’s Ten Commandments.
All right, now, we know that’s the basis of our law. We should because it hangs behind most of our Supreme Court desks and so forth. However, the point he made was this: the foundation of God’s law that says there’s value to life, thou shalt not kill. There’s value to telling the truth, thou shalt not bear false witness, and so forth, are the things that must be put in place, but they have to be voluntarily followed. If they are not voluntarily followed, no body of law, no system of government can force a person to always do that which is right because you effectively turn it out.
Now, that’s the foundation. It was in place. Our Supreme Court, though, years ago, and you referred to it, Dave, came back and said, when they ordered the removal of our Ten Commandments. The order by the Supreme Court was this, their justification was we cannot allow these Ten Commandments to hang on the walls of our public school classroom. Reason being because if they hang there, it’s likely that our children will read them. And if they read them, it’s likely they will venerate them or do them, and they said, this we cannot allow.
Well, Dave, so the Ten Commandments went out the door. Our children don’t have the opportunity to read them. The teacher cannot refer to them. There is no more restraint hanging in front of them. So therefore, we get exactly what the Supreme Court wanted us to get. Children who do not venerate or honor life or the property of others. This is a direct cause and effect and that’s where we have to go with it.
You know, Sam, I think you’ve hit on something that is beyond powerful and I want to go to Bob, because before we went live, Bob, you were sharing something with Sam and I with respect to your local community of Ravenna, Ohio. You have outside your church a bell or a bell tower and, at the 12:00 hour, four minutes before we went live today, you referenced the fact that you could hear those bells chiming. And you shared something with us that I found to be very, very powerful. I would love for you to share that with our listening audience, if you would.
Yes. We live in a community where there’s avid break-ins in the day time. Garages, cars, etc., storage buildings in the residential areas as well as the business communities surrounding us. And many of my former comrades in law enforcement that have jurisdiction in the venue where our church is at tell me that over the last couple of years, since we have installed these bells that ring from our church steeple throughout the neighborhoods, they can be heard for several blocks away, that the crime statistics on the burglaries and the breaking and enterings have actually decreased. Now, as to whether or not that can be charged directly to that, but in our manner of conversation, we were speaking about the spiritual aspect and the effects that institution of God that can be heard throughout the community may be playing a role in that decrease.
Well, gentlemen, it’s interest because every year, it’s the first week of May, there is a Bible reading marathon in Washington DC. It corresponds directly with the same week that the National Day of Prayer is commemorated. The Bible is read. We’ll be talking about this coming up very, very quickly in more detail here on the program. But we start on a Sunday evening at 6:00 pm. The Bible is read basically over 90 hours from that 6:00 pm on Sunday evening, all the way until around 12:00 noon on Thursday, the first Thursday of May, which is always the day in which we commemorate and celebrate the National Day of Prayer.
And the Capitol Hill Police that guard the Capitol complex, they guard the building, they guard what’s called Capitol Hill, have verbalized to us on numerous occasions that they love our presence there because the week we are there, crime and the crime rate drops on Capitol Hill while the Bible is being read and during that particular week.
So, it’s interesting. We’re not talking about direct access necessarily to the Ten Commandments of God. Bob, you’re not talking about that with your chimes there that play in your bell tower in your church. But you are talking about something that is overtly religious. It is an acknowledgement of the God of heaven. And of course, the Bible being read on the west plaza steps of the United States Capitol is, of course, God’s infallible inerrant word. And there is a purifying, cleansing effect that these things have.
Sam, I want to contrast that with the fact that, in the United States of America, it is no longer taught as a mere theory, it is taught as fact. And I’m talking about this heinous thing called evolutionary thought that we evolved from a lower life form. If God did not create mankind, if this young man yesterday does not view his classmates, his former classmates there at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, if he does not view them as a likeness or a representation of God created by God in God’s very images, but he instead views them as having evolved and he, himself, as well, having evolved from a lower life form, Sam, what does that do? What does that do to the thinking, not just of the American youth, but the thinking of the American people, with respect to how life should be valued?
Well, Dave, the entire concept of life, and can I add to that, value, and tied to that, the concept, therefore, of honor and respect, all which are based on a concept of value, which is based on the concept that life is sacred, which is based on the fact that God created. Our founders recognized it, [inaudible 00:16:43] what they said. “We are endowed by our creator, he’s given us certain rights.” That’s where value comes from.
Dave, you take God out of the equation, any ideology, the atheistic ideology of communism, the ideology of Islam, which does not have value in the person. All of their actions, Dave, you find that the treatment and value of property and respect and honor for God, for that which is right, for life of all people, regardless of color, doesn’t exist. It only comes, that’s the wonderful thing about it, life and value and sacredness of these things only comes with the liberty that we have in Jesus Christ. That comes right off the Bible. You throw the Bible out, you throw out with it all of these things that we come to enjoy in this country, but we throw them out, not knowing that they only come from one source.
Sam, then let me ask you this. What it sounds like you’re saying and advocating is this. Our theme today is Curative Solutions. In other words, we’re looking for a cure here. We’re not just looking to put Band-aids on open wounds. We want to find a cure to the problem of what’s happening in America’s schools and the violence that’s rampant on the streets of our country.
So what you’re saying, is, Sam, if we would reintroduce God. If we would reintroduce, especially at the educational level, the fact that man was created by a holy righteous God, that would help solve the problem ultimately.
Dave, that is the remedy. Jesus Christ and the liberty that comes from faith in Him, healing, hope and security is only found in Jesus Christ and in obedience to God’s word. It’s that simple.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you’re paying attention to the news at all, you are very well aware that there are calls coming now with increased rapidity and frequency since yesterday’s horrific shooting, and those calls are for stricter gun legislation for certain types of weapons to be outlawed, it’s commonly called the Assault Rifle Ban. Yet, the question we’re trying to answer is this: is that really the answer to the problem? Is that a curative solution, or is that merely the treating of a symptom?
I want to give you a very fascinating scenario that took place in 1982. Talking about a small town in Georgia. It’s called Kennesaw, Georgia. I’ve been in Kennesaw a number of times. And in 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring, you’re hearing me correctly, requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.
The ordinance states, the gun law, that that law is needed rather to “protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants.” Well, in 1982, one of the councilmen at that time was a gentleman named J.O. Stephenson and he said, after the ordinance was passed, everyone “went crazy.”
If you know anything about the 1982 law, you will know he is 100% correct. People nationwide just went absolutely nuts. How can you require that of your citizens? Is it even constitutional to require that of your citizens? Well, lawsuits were brought and the Kennesaw City Council won every lawsuit. And Mr. Stephenson went on and said this, “People all over the country said there would be shootings in the streets and violence in homes.” And he said, “Of course, that was not the case.”
In fact, the exact opposite took place. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society President, Robert Jones, he said that following the law’s passage, get this, the crime rate dropped in Kennesaw, Georgia, 89%. In the city of Kennesaw. Now, that’s compared to a 10% crime rate drop statewide across the state of Georgia. So, 10% across the rest of the state, 89% drop in the city of Kennesaw.
Now, Bob, I want to go to you. You’re a law enforcement guy. You’re also the pastor of a church. You merged these two roles and have merged them together very, very well. What is the reason that there was such a precipitous drop in crime after this law requiring the occupants of the city of Kennesaw to own at least one firearm and sufficient ammunition to use?
I think it’s common sense. It’s peace through superior fire power. Those in the area that would be committing crimes had something to fear. When you do offender profiles, you find out that the offender risk, i.e., what risk does the offender have to take to accomplish their goals? It’s no different than policing a community. A police department that shows off those red and blues actively tells the burglar that’s going from point A to point B to pick another community because their risk of being apprehended or caught increases by that visual deterrent.
I would imagine much the same with Kennesaw, Georgia. I would imagine much the same with anywhere who has a show of force. Our nation, for goodness sakes, was once known as a powerful nation across this world. People in North Korea didn’t try to rattle chains and send missiles at us for fear of reprisal, because we had peace through superior firepower. I know that’s not a popular antidote, but it’s true nevertheless.
Brother Dave, Sam, I’d like to say, when I went to school, before I even accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, I heard about God in school. That’s where I heard it first. And I just asked myself, oh, with this young man that did such dastardly deeds and brought such sorrow and loss upon this community in Florida, had he grown up in a school where he heard about God, what difference would that have made? I have to believe it would have made a major difference. We’re living in a –
That’s all right, no, Bob. I just wanted to say this to Sam. You know, Bob is making a powerful point that Sam, you made in the last segment the statement that, if God were reintroduced once again, if his plan of salvation and the person of Jesus Christ, which is what Bob’s addressing here, were once again reintroduced to our young people, even in the school setting, the impact would be dramatic. So, we’re talking here about solutions. We’re looking for curative solutions.
And I don’t want to put words in your mouth. I certainly don’t want to put words in Bob’s mouth, but it sounds like what we’re talking about here are two things. We’re talking about a spiritual component of God, his Ten Commandments, his expectations with respect to how he views sin, how man’s soul is redeemed from that sinful state. All of that needs to be taught once again, but also understanding the sinfulness of man. That you are, and we are going to have, from time to time, people try to perpetrate acts of evil, you need to take a precaution to deal with that. So arming people, whether it be the city of Kennesaw, Georgia or whether it be appropriately trained and armed people at a public school, that is not something, Sam, that is inappropriate.
So the introduction of God and the introduction of appropriate security, those two things, Sam, are curative solutions, are they not?
Well, Dave, they are, and this thought just came to my mind. We’re talking about arms and we’re talking about examples of people arming themselves. Let me go and say this, that a people that are not armed with the truth will not be protected by only a gun. We must be armed with the truth. That’s the moral constraint. That’s to say that that takes us back to the spiritual component. There is God, there is value in life, he made it; therefore, I must view my fellow man and his property as a possession that they have, given of God.
Without that basic truth, Dave, the gun does not become the defender of life. It becomes the taker of life. And so, in all of our discussions for all these guys that are standing up and saying, “Let’s clamp down on guns,” and who never say anything about the matter of truth and the value of life and the source of that, Dave, no law, no law, no nothing that we do are going to be able to solve the problems we have.
You know, when you think about the schools, think of all the circumstances we have. We have all of this sexual activity between students and teachers. It’s all over the place, right? We hear that. This violence we have in the school. The kinds of things we have with disrespect of students to teachers, disrespect of teachers to students that we hear so much about. Dave, all of those are linked to truth, and God, as the center point.
So we can’t talk about public policy of any type or law or change of law until we first recognize where this whole thing’s coming from, and that is God’s law and the presence of God. That’s why our founders started where they did, the Ten Commandments on which they built a legal system, they built a respect of law, of rights that came from God and our pulpits preached it. They have to work together, Dave, or we won’t be able to make enough laws or do enough things to protect all the people.
Bob, let me go to you and ask you this question. There have been a lot of ideas already since yesterday’s horrific events floated with respect to arming retired police officers or maybe retired military. Providing to them a course of appropriate training and positioning them around the property at schools and school systems across the United States of America. Obviously the response to that that’s immediately thrown up is the cost of it, it would be ineffective, and you hear all the reasons as to why that would not work.
But it looks like to me, Bob, and I don’t have a law enforcement background. I’ve spend a lot of time around guys like you and others in law enforcement and have some degree of understanding of it. But it looks like to me, this is part of the solution is to have armed individuals inside the schools, trained appropriately. And that, in and of itself, the knowledge that there are armed people on that property would have been a deterrent yesterday and would be a deterrent at any other potential catastrophic scenario that could unfold.
Dave, I want to say this. Because of godlessness, this is why we have this disease. The disease is godlessness. We have symptoms of the disease. Now, with that said, if we want to treat the disease, we’re going to have to get God back into the school. If they don’t want to do that, then they’re going to be stuck with nothing but treating symptoms.
Even if we got God back in the school today, we would still have to address the disease and the symptoms. The rock’s been thrown in the pond years ago and we’re dealing with ripples as symptoms. With that said, we need to be able to get God back in the schools and we need to be able to treat the symptoms by having that peace through superior firepower.
We need to be able to have security in our schools anywhere that we have soft targets today. Satan is very powerful. We know that they passed laws in Chicago, strict gun laws. They lead the nation in murders. Despite that, we’re not going to give a caveat of passing stricter gun laws that’s going to give comfort to me as a father or a grandfather that my children are going to be safer in schools, knowing what I know as a result of stricter gun laws. We need to treat the disease and we need to be prepared for the symptoms of those disease.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, the symptoms is what happened yesterday. A shooter came in and fired rounds off and killed 17 people, but the underlying cause that must be addressed is what motivated him to do that. If he had been taught that he was created, and his classmates were created by a holy righteous God and he had a value for life, if that man had heard the truth, as Bob said, of the gospel of Jesus Christ and accepted him as savior, then yesterday would have never occurred. So we’re trying to deal with curative solutions, not just treat symptoms.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Stand in the Gap today and I want to say this in our solutions segment. Really, the entire program today has been about solutions, so the whole program has been solution-oriented. We’re talking about this theme, Curative Solutions rather than just treating symptoms. But we at the American Pastors Network believe that God’s word, the Bible, is his infallible, inerrant truth. We believe it is not just a collection of great stories and wonderful suggestions and pithy comments. We believe it is God’s rule book for faith and practice and that when God’s word is implemented and lived, that incredibly good things happen as a result.
One of the passages that we have kind of danced all around today without specifically referring to is found in the book of Nehemiah, Chapter number four, where the walls of the city of Jerusalem had collapsed, the gates has become burned with fire, the enemy had unmitigated entrance into the city to carry off crops. To basically exercise their will over the people of Israel, the nation of Israel, the city of Jerusalem.
And Nehemiah comes onto the scene. He grew up in the captivity in Babylon. He hears about the plight of his home country. He goes back and begins to plan and implement a solution to the problem that basically was twofold. In Nehemiah, Chapter number four, he said, “We made our supplication to our God.” In other words, we brought God into the picture. Clearly, first and foremost, God was a part. But, he said, “We also set a watch against the enemy day and night.” And I have jokingly referred to it this way. His prescription was our wall is protected by God and Smith & Wesson. In other words, we prayed and relied on the Lord, but we used common sense and implemented common sense approaches as well.
If you know anything about that passage, you know they had a trowel in one hand, building the wall. They clutched a sword in the other hand. So those two, God and an appropriate protection of people using a sword in Nehemiah’s day, using a weapon in our day, that is not inappropriate and those two are certainly not incompatible.
Sam, I would love for you to address that, if you would, because what we’re talking about is getting God back into the picture, not just in our schools, but nationally. And until we do, we’re going to continue to have the problems we saw yesterday at this high school. But it is not wrong, simultaneous with that, to implement policies and procedures and protocols that involve sometimes weapons to keep our citizenry and especially our youngest among us in our schools safe.
Dave, absolutely. The two walk together, but they have to be in the right order, meaning this: life comes from God. God sets the rules. He establishes the value of life. He establishes the moral law, that if it’s broken, what the remedy should be. That’s called justice. That’s what the Department of Justice is supposed to be about. That is a part of life.
But it starts with God and his definition of value. But within that, all through the scripture, the concept of the sword walks hand in hand with the truth. Ultimately, as you gave the example there of the wall, they had a trowel for building and they had a sword for defense. That was what they were told to do. In the temples of the Old Testament, there were the guards who stood there with their weapon, the sword, to prevent the enemy from violating that sacred place.
Christ, when he talked to a disciple, said, “Go and sell your coat and buy a sword.” Now, the point was, you’re going to be out there in a very bad world with very bad people who don’t all control themselves according to the Ten Commandments and a fear of God. Therefore, you are not to be there and just say, “Come kill me.” You have a sword. Christ said that. God has enacted that policy.
The point here, though, Dave, is that our faith and our trust must be in God and the truth that he lays out and his plan. The sword is not where our trust is, but it’s there as a legitimate tool, appropriated, given by God to, in the case of government, wield the sword of justice. In the case of a father or a mother in the home or of someone in authority, to protect the lives of those who are under their authority. It goes together beautifully when we understand God’s pattern.
Bob, let me go to you. If you were given the task of implementing a strategy, and I’m talking about not just the spiritual component, which comes first, that Sam just so powerfully alluded to, but also the practical side of protecting our schools. If you were slated with the task of doing that and implemented a policy or could implement a policy nationwide that would then be implemented in our schools, what would it be and how would you approach it?
Our schools contain the most precious of life. They contain our children. If there’s not anything worth being protected such as that, where do we stand? I do believe that our schools in this day and age, since we are not fighting a disease of flesh and blood and objects, we’re fighting symptoms of flesh and blood, we need to be prepared to battle and combat those symptoms of evil that are brought upon such as happened in Florida and just far too many other places.
We need to have security for our children. For those poor teachers. I can imagine those teachers. I don’t know how some of them are going to be able to return to their profession, to their classroom. The impact that we see here is far and wide compared to what we can see on the surface.
But at least we need to resign ourselves that our students, our churches, the people that are in one place, under one roof need to be protected from this evil.
So, Bob, how would you go about doing that? Use the school setting. I mean, you would put armed people, trained, and weapons in their hands equal to what could come against them? For example, if this guy used an AR-15, it would not be inappropriate in your mind for well-trained security guards at public schools to equally hold in their hands an AR-15 or something greater to deal with this issue.
We need men and women who are trained in the spirit of combating evil. School teachers aren’t trained in that spirit. We need officers that can be in our schools. We need doors to be locked. There’s no reason to have this open free flow in this day and age with the risk to our students of having schools unlocked that folks can just come and go. There needs to be a professional deterrent that both deters and shows the offender that they’re going to be taking a risk, but at the same time, brings peace and comfort to those within those structures. The students and the teachers.
So, yes, there needs to be professional, armed police officers in those buildings where those valuable resources, our teachers and our students, reside most every day of their lives.
Well, Bob, I couldn’t agree with you more.
Sam, I want to go to you and ask you to close us in prayer in just a second, but I want to quickly ask you this. There really is no benefit, Sam, is there, in protecting young people if philosophically their minds are going to still be filled with the same evolutionary thought that is devoid of God? Really, in one sense, we’re missing the whole point and we’re talking about curative solutions. We’ve got to go to the God component first, do we not?
Dave, every house with sturdy walls has to have a firm foundation. That foundation of society is truth. It’s in the Bible, it’s what God says. No foundation, no walls, no roof. Simple as that.