Sam Rohrer Interviews with VCY America on Immigration

A Christian Look at Immigration

On August 29, 2019, VCY host, Jim Schneider, interviewed APN President, Sam Rohrer, on the issue of immigration.

(Audio and copy below was originally posted on the VCY website HERE.)

Sam Rohrer is the president of American Pastors Network and the Pennsylvania Pastor’s Network.  He’s also host of ‘Stand in the Gap.’ Sam is a former state representative in the Pennsylvania Legislature as he sought to apply biblical principles in all areas of legislation.  He was often referred to as the ‘Conscience of the House’ because of his consistent stance for moral truth in public policy.

Why is immigration such a hot topic amid the current political climate?  Sam believes it’s only because we as a culture and nation have walked away from God’s simple understanding of what constitutes a nation, the purpose of government and government leaders (Romans 13).

Sam defined a nation as an area defined by a common language, worldview, and identifiable boundaries.  God defined those boundaries so they’ve been with us since the beginning of time.

God works through nations for the fulfillment of His plan of redemption.  America, on the other hand, appears to be walking away from God’s plan expressed in the biblical worldview.  So what used to be of no controversy now is controversial. In other words, look at how this nation views human sexuality or marriage.  Sam believes boundaries fall into that same category and hence, that subject is now controversial as well.

Is there a difference between how a government should respond to immigration compared to how the Christian should respond?  Sam referred to what he called the ‘jurisdictional approach.’ What is the purpose of government from God’s perspective? It’s to praise those who do well (protect those who follow God’s moral law) and to punish those who break God’s moral law and the law of the land.

You may wonder what borders have to do with government.  A government has leaders who have a responsibility to protect the lives of its citizens.  So you can’t define ‘citizen’ unless you have borders. This means the fundamental purpose of government is to maintain borders.

As ‘the church’ we are to carry the gospel to all people regardless of whether it’s our next door neighbor or someone in another nation.  However, as Sam noted, ‘…the church and the individual should never be in violation against the purposes that God has established for government which is to protect its people and its borders.’

What is the believers responsibility in all of this?  How should our nation proceed as we navigate this contentious issue?  Doesn’t the text at the Statue of Liberty demand open borders? Are spiritual and political leaders misapplying Scriptures such as Leviticus 19:34 and the story of the Good Samaritan when they try to apply them to the subject of illegal immigration?

These and other questions are examined, and callers weigh in as well, during this critical edition of Crosstalk. (Statue of Liberty – web photo by B. Barker)

‘One Generation Shall Commend Your Works to Another’—Reminding Grandparents of Their Biblical Duty to Pass Down God’s Word

With National Grandparents Day celebrated this Sunday, Sept. 8, the American Pastors Network (APN) is reminding grandparents that the Bible speaks directly to them regarding how to instill biblical precepts to the next generations.

APN President Sam Rohrer, the grandfather to 14 grandchildren and the father of six, says he and his wife of 42 years have strived to be godly influences in their grandchildren’s lives.

“Psalm 145:4 tells us that ‘One generation shall commend your works to another,’” Rohrer said. “This is a clear charge to parents and grandparents to instill the Word of God, His promises, His creation, His good works and the saving grace through His Son, Jesus Christ, to the generations that come after us. If we see that more millennials are becoming ‘nones’ and not embracing any faith at all, that means those millennial parents are not raising their children in the church or with a faith in Jesus Christ. This is alarming for future generations, which also brings to light the need for grandparents to play an integral role in their grandchildren’s faith walk.”

Rohrer also pointed to recent research by Barna that found that a majority of Christians had their faith heritage passed down by a family member—and usually long before adulthood, by the age of 12.

“This study is another indicator of the importance of grandparents who are strong in their faith have in talking to their grandchildren about why it is crucial to keep Christ at the center of their life and to look to the Bible for guidance in every area of life,” Rohrer added.

National Grandparents Day was championed in the 1970s by Marian Lucille Herndon McQuade, who had 43 grandchildren, 10 great-grandchildren and one great-great grandchild. McQuade envisioned the holiday as a family affair, with generations coming together. While working to recognize the holiday on a local level, McQuade was elected Vice-Chair of the West Virginia Committee on Aging and appointed as a delegate to the White House Conference on Aging in 1971. In 1979, President Jimmy Carter proclaimed Grandparents Day would occur the Sunday after Labor Day each year. McQuade was married to her husband, Joseph, for 60 years before he died in 2001. Mrs. McQuade passed away in 2008.

According to LegacyProject.com, “On a societal level, National Grandparents Day gives us a chance to publicly affirm the identity and importance of grandparents, that they do play a vital role in families.”

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American Pastors Network: Health Care Should Be Biblical, Too

Many Christians are careful to ensure that their giving, spending, investing and even shopping aligns with their biblical values. But what about their health care?

The American Pastors Network says this major component of the American culture and the political sphere should also be in concert with God’s Word.

To discuss the biblical ties to health care, APN President Sam Rohrer recently welcomed a director for one of the nation’s leading health care sharing ministries.

Rohrer and his “Stand in the Gap TV” co-host, millennial pastor Isaac Crockett, spoke with Anthony Hopp, vice president of external relations for Samaritan Ministries, through which more than a quarter of a million Christians worldwide engage in health care sharing—a God-honoring model of health care whereby members directly share in each other’s health care needs through monthly financial shares, while also sending encouraging notes and lifting up their brothers and sisters in Christ in prayer.

“The American health care system is being dismantled, yet the provision for health care sharing is growing,” Rohrer said on the program. “Socialistic policies are replacing what should be a Bible-based system of health care. The issue of health care in America is important to each of us. When we need quality care at an affordable price, we’ve come to expect that we can get it nearly immediately. We’ve become accustomed to the finest of care and the most professional of physicians. Steeped in a Judeo-Christian mindset of compassion, health care and helping those in need has become the norm both on the part of the patient and the provider. Yet, the push for socialized healthcare with less care, higher costs and diminished doctor-patient relationships is increasing, with many people believing it will somehow be better.”

The co-hosts and Hopp discussed, however, that the socialization of health care is one of the major problems in the field, along with growing costs, greater government involvement, a lack of price transparency and heightened third-party interference. Health care sharing through Samaritan Ministries, Hopp said, addresses these concerns by enabling members to pay less for quality health care, move away from government involvement and intrusive third parties, and experience price transparency and even discounts.

Additionally, Rohrer and Hopp noted, members of Christian health care sharing ministries do not pay for abortions or gender reassignment procedures/treatment with their financial shares.

Rohrer also detailed America’s health care spending problems by the numbers.

  • According to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), as a percentage of the total U.S. economy in 2017, health care represented 17.9%, reaching $3.5 trillion or $10,739 per person.
  • National health spending is projected to grow at an average rate of 5.5% per year for 2018-2027 and reach nearly $6 trillion by 2027, Reuters reported, raising the health care total percentage of the U.S. economy from 17.9% to 19.4%.

“These numbers are almost too large to understand, especially when we realize that Congress recently voted to increase U.S. spending by $320 billion and remove the debt ceiling cap until 2021,” Rohrer said. “The size and scope of spending, be it on health care or anything is else, is out of control and increasing. But rising health care costs and spending can be curbed with health care sharing. Certainly, not every problem with the current health care controversy in this nation can be solved by health care sharing, but for Christian people who choose this legal option and who want to as much as possible follow biblical principles and models, it can be a welcome, God-sent path.”

Rohrer added that with the passage of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare, the drive toward socialized medicine and destruction of the American health care system was greatly accelerated.

“The ongoing presidential debates are also focusing much of the discussion on health care, with nearly every candidate trying to out-promise the others from the standpoint of who and what will be covered by a universal, single-payer government plan,” he said. “Yet in the midst of all this is a bright spot in health care sharing. It is growing and flourishing, as more families are finding affordable health care, biblical community and are able to continue being treating by the doctors they trust—all while they honor God.”

View the two “Stand in the Gap TV” programs on health care sharing below:

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American Pastors Network: Immigration Issues Are Complex, But God Is Not Confused or Divided

Borders and immigration are complex issues, especially for the faithful, and will again be top concerns for the 2020 election, says the American Pastors Network (APN), which is why Christians must be informed from a biblical and constitutional perspective on these hot-button matters.

APN frequently explores the topic of immigration on its popular daily, live, one-hour radio program, “Stand in the Gap Today,” heard on more than 400 stations nationwide.

First, says APN President Sam Rohrer in his daily 60-second radio feature, “Stand in the Gap Minute,” the abuse of immigrants is mentioned in 2 Chronicles, where King Solomon focused on the “seven prayers for seven judgments.”

“There are seven warnings for nations that turn their backs on God,” Rohrer says. “One of those signs of judgment is the ‘abuse of immigrants.’ From our nation’s beginning, we’ve welcomed people to our Shining City on the Hill, in part so they could know our God Who is the Light. Today, immigrants are mere players in a political game of chess, introduced first to the god of government with social benefits offered as bribes for votes. Solomon perceived this horrendous government injustice to the stranger and saw that it would tarnish the testimony of God. Instead of pointing people to God, the immigrant was pointed to some other manmade god. In the ongoing debate about immigration and borders, how many Christians and pastors have considered this abuse of the immigrant to be an evidence of judgment? God does.”

But therein lies the complexity, Rohrer adds. False moral and biblical arguments abound, even from pastors, when it comes to addressing immigration—both from a legal and illegal standpoint.

“The moral component being cited by some religious leaders to justify a nearly unrestrained open-door policy is the biblical admonition to welcome the stranger and sojourner,” he says. “They then couple this with the biblical command to care for the poor, the widow and the orphan, to turn the other cheek and to love our enemies. While in some ways this concept is admirable and true, it falls entirely short in our current situation. We as Americans are known for our compassion for the poor, and we have perhaps set the highest standard in the history of all civilizations in giving of our bounty for others. That is, in fact, what Christianity is all about. Some pastors and religious leaders, however, are wrongly applying the command to the Church and individuals to governmental public policy. That is not only unbiblical and denies the clear

teaching of Scripture, but it is also dangerous and threatens the very foundation of our system of civil government that permits the Church and individuals to freely fulfill what God has commanded.

“Should the Church be concerned about helping to meet the needs of the poor?” Rohrer continues. “The answer is unequivocally yes. But this command only applies to these two jurisdictions—Church and individuals—here in our own nation, our own communities or our own neighbors. Can we help overseas? That answer is a resounding yes as well. Many organizations and groups meet the needs of the poor being displaced worldwide by war, unrest or famine. This is exactly what should be done. But, Jehovah God, the Author of Moral Truth, and Jesus Christ, the Embodiment of Truth, never told any nation to open their arms unconditionally to the ‘stranger.’ God never commanded any nation or His nation of Israel to invite in the sworn enemies of God or those committed to the destruction of their system of moral and civil law. There is simply no moral obligation for government to do what is currently being done or advocated. In fact, it is not only a violation of our civil law, it is a violation of moral law to bring in those who embrace the fundamental tenets of the very enemy who have sworn to kill us or to bring in people from countries who are training and harboring these enemies of freedom.”

In the end, Rohrer says, the matter has a simple solution. Government and government officials should do their lawful and moral duty to enact justice and protect God-honoring and law-abiding citizens of this nation. Likewise, church leaders and individuals should do their duty to extend compassion and kindness to all strangers, foreigners, the poor, the widow and the homeless, whether next door or around the world.

“If these simple lines of jurisdiction are followed, this current controversy would be eliminated,” he says. “God is not divided nor is He confused on this or any issue—and neither should we be. I pray to God that all in positions of authority would heed and lead. Our very freedom depends on it!”

Israel Continues to Be One of President Trump’s Most Critical Election Issues for 2020

Israel last week announced that the nation would ban two American Congresswomen from visiting because of their anti-Semitic stances—then reversed the decision, stating Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) was approved for a “humanitarian” visit. Friday afternoon, however, reported Fox News, Tlaib confirmed she would not be visiting her grandmother in Israel after all, citing “oppressive conditions.” Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) is still banned from visiting.

The American Pastors Network (APN) follows news about Israel closely, especially as it relates to American politics and American Christians—and in light of the fact that Israel will be one of the most important 2020 election issues. In fact, APN focuses on Israel at least once a week on its daily “Stand in the Gap Today” radio program, which airs on about 400 stations nationwide, as well as addresses news coming out of the Middle East from a biblical and constitutional perspective.

To one of these recent programs, APN President Sam Rohrer welcomed former Minnesota U.S. Representative and presidential candidate Michele Bachmann, with whom Rohrer attended the Jerusalem Prayer Breakfast earlier this summer; Bachmann also co-chairs the event. On “Stand in the Gap Today,” Bachmann made bold statements about President Donald Trump and his ongoing commitment to Israel, stating “never before” has she seen a “more pro-Israel president.”

In many respects, Rohrer agrees, stating that President Trump has indeed kept his promise to Christians that he would advocate for Israel on behalf of America.

“Over the past several years, presidential actions have been overwhelmingly supportive of Israel, which should be important to all Christians,” Rohrer said. “Those who support Israel will be put onto a path of blessing—to that, the Bible is clear. Those who bless Israel, God will bless, and those who curse Israel, God will curse. And in these end days, there will be a sifting to either sheep nations or goat nations. That distinction will be led by those nations’ leaders and how they relate to the principle of God’s plan for Israel. Few would deny that this president has taken strong positions in relation to Israel.”

But to whom should this presidential commitment to Israel be meaningful?

“People who are Remnant Christians and believe that Israel is a nation blessed by God will be on board with this administration’s actions and commitments,” Rohrer said. “Certainly, President Trump’s moves and counter-moves concerning the Holy Land do not matter to those who think God is done with Israel, and his support for Israel upsets the Islamists among us.

“But undeniably, all of this brings into context that there is a prevailing, sovereign God who is at work,” Rohrer added. “He is not out of the picture. And many Christians should get Him back into the picture. The fact is that God’s plan for Israel supersedes and is bigger than the U.S. It’s from the beginning of time and directly reflects what God says in the Bible.”

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Back to School Gives Children and Parents a Chance to Go ‘Back to God’

by Sam Rohrer

It’s approaching fast! We’ll soon be sending our kids and grandkids back to school! But where is our emphasis? New classes? School supplies? Clothing? God’s emphasis starts with how we’re preparing our children spiritually. In Deuteronomy 6, God commanded His people to teach His ways to their children. This includes a God focus in the morning, throughout the day and in the evening. Are we approaching God’s mandate strategically and intentionally in our child’s education and life the best we can be?

Consider starting each morning with your kids in prayer, committing to Christ-like decisions and behaviors. Next, encourage this daily. Uplifting lunchbox notes or text messages may be just what’s needed to overcome anxiety or temptation. Finally, end each day thanking God for His protection and wisdom, then close with Scripture and prayer. Character is not formed in a day; it’s formed day by day to train up a godly next generation.

Likewise, a new school year should motivate us to more intentionally develop our children’s complete God-centered education. Even our Lord Jesus grew in wisdom, stature and favor with God and man. So, how can we encourage our children as they enter a new school year? Scripture describes God’s design for parents and children as a loving relationship. Joseph and Mary invested in the life of Jesus, providing both His physical and learning needs. Helping our children with an assignment communicates the importance of them and their education. Turning off the television, computers and cell phones to read together increases knowledge as well the relationship with our children. Just talking with your son or daughter about their day as you share a meal can open conversations to encourage learning in ways often overlooked. Other people and resources can help too, but nothing compares to a loving parent committed to the whole education of their child.

This Christian parental involvement is critical, because sadly, according to a 2018 Barna and Impact 360 Institute Research study, 96% of Generation Z have a failed education if we consider that just 4% hold a biblical worldview. But this tragic fact can change if parents live biblically. First, remember that making disciples starts in the home. Second, purposely address the difficult issues of our culture, whether these involve sex, gender or evolution. God’s Word addresses these matters, and so can parents. Third, make worldview development a daily effort. Living obediently, reading your Bible and praying, loving your spouse and faithfully attending church sets a compelling example for children.

When it comes to a biblical worldview, more is “caught” than “taught.” Allowing children to see an obedient walk with God in our lives will confirm that God is real, personal, just and loving. It’s the hope and confidence the next generation needs.

But with cultural challenges evident, can children really spiritually succeed in school? The apostle Paul addressed this challenge to young Timothy when he wrote in 1 Timothy 4:12: “Let no one despise your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.” The greatest test of our children’s faith will be to live it out at school. When Paul taught Timothy to set an example through his speech and actions, he knew the young man’s life would impact others.

Whether to a classmate or teacher, the words our children use display their attitudes. Their actions come next. Together, their speech and actions determine their example, and that example can be powerful. Parents and grandparents, our words and choices set a powerful example to the kids we love. So let’s make a renewed effort to set the highest possible standard for our words and actions. In turn, our children will be encouraged to do the same.

Finally, let’s remember the most important things to send with our children to school. How many times have we reminded, “Don’t forget your lunch!” as kids head out the door? And I wonder how many children have heard it over the years. As parents, we work hard to make sure our children have everything they need to succeed in school. This includes their lunch as well as homework, but what do our children need to succeed spiritually? If we’re intentional in living a biblical worldview, making disciples, speaking of God when they get up, through the day and at the end of the day, children will be prepared to make the choices that result in spiritual success.

Training up a child in the way they should go is God’s plan. Praying faithfully for them, as James 5:16 reminds us, is also part of God’s plan and more important than we may ever understand. Prayer is the glue that cements biblical training, a godly example and a biblical worldview into place.

Note: This article was originally published on the Christian Post website HERE.

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Seven Prayers-Seven Judgments: A Stand in the Gap Minute Series Based on II Chronicles 6

Can We Know if God’s Judgment is on America?

As I crisscross this nation and interface with pastors and Christian leaders, it’s apparent that crippling paralysis and impotence grip most Christians as well as the Church at large in America. When our pulpits should be flaming with the preaching of righteousness, repentance, and God’s anger with personal and national sin, most are silent. Instead of calling attention to God’s judgment, many pastors deny that we can even know if God is judging America. Seeking ‘comfort’ rather than ‘engagement,’ most pastors are inadvertently contributing to the destruction of our nation by infusing their people with lethargy rather than with an urgency for righteous living.

This paralysis exists in part because leading pastors and church leaders are not certain themselves if God’s judgment is on America or if anyone can or should legitimately declare what God is doing or not doing. Some well-known pastors recently declared this position, with one even telling me directly that 2 Chron. 7:14, which speaks to the issue of national judgment, is not for America or any nation today. They’ve actually said that to speak of the certainty of judgment, to offer the requirements for repentance, and to tell of God’s promise to ‘hear our prayer, forgive our sins, and heal our land’ is to offer a fraudulent hope!

I contend that claiming we cannot know if God’s judgment is on our nation is but a feeble attempt to justify the failure of pastors convincingly to preach on the reality of sin, God’s anger with sin, His holiness, and the need for repentance. The cost of not preaching on the reality of God’s judgment is great. The failure to preach on the need for repentance now will guarantee God’s final judgment on America.  I contend that if we can recognize God’s blessing on our nation, we can with as much certainty know when His hand of judgment is on us. In this week’s Stand in the Gap Minutes, I will identify the seven marks of national judgment that precipitated God’s answer to King Solomon in 2 Chron. 7:14. The correlations to America are undeniable. 

Please click on the links below:

  1. The First Mark of God’s Judgment on America: The Removal of God’s Blessing
  2. The Second Mark of God’s Judgment on America: Government Sanctioned Injustice
  3. The Third Mark of God’s Judgment on America: Military Defeat
  4. The Fourth Mark of God’s Judgment on America: Drought
  5. The Fifth Mark of God’s Judgment on America: Extreme Weather and Internal Attacks
  6. The Sixth Mark of God’s Judgment on America: Abused Immigrants
  7. The Seventh Mark of God’s Judgment on America: War and National Collapse

Study: Majority of Christians Say Their Faith Came from a Family Member

According to recent research by Barna, a majority of Christians say they came to the faith long before adulthood—usually before the age of 12.

American Pastors Network (APN) says the findings are interesting because they show the link between faith and heritage, but simultaneously, asks APN President Sam Rohrer, what does it mean for the future of the Christian Church in light of the knowledge that more millennials—today’s young parents—are backing away from Christianity.

“What will be the future of the church if we know that 59% of current practicing Christians say their Christian faith was ‘passed down’ to them from a family member?” said Rohrer, who hosts the popular daily radio program, “Stand in the Gap Today,” heard on several hundred stations nationwide. “With more and more millennials leaving the church—in fact, some studies say that, coincidentally, 59% of millennials have already left the faith—we might find a way to reach the younger generations so they can pass the hope of Christ onto their children.”

Rohrer added that a key may be the connection between the older and younger generation, especially among pastors.

“Most older, faithful pastors have a concern for younger pastors but don’t always have ways to connect with them,” he said. “And younger pastors tend to be divided into two categories: those who don’t necessarily see the value with connecting with other generations, or those young biblically faithful pastors who do long for the opportunity and are honored to be in the presence of those who have sustained, perhaps, a 40-year ministry and have remained true. Many from all age groups who truly want to connect just don’t know how.”

Barna also found that more than half of survey respondents say they grew up as a Christian (57%) and were Christian at the time of their birth. This response, Barna says, “is revealing either of their theology or of how extensively Christianity permeated their upbringing.”

“We must better connect pastors of all generations—both to each other and to younger generations,” Rohrer said. “If we don’t, how we can expect them to connect with their own people on the importance of having a biblical worldview they can pass on to future generations?”

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Raising Godly Children in Modern-Day America—APN Shares Biblical Tips That Work

Parents have a multitude of concerns in today’s complicated culture. Is my child happy and healthy? Am I guiding him on the right path? Are we helping her become the best person she can be?

For Christian parents, these questions take on a biblical nature as well—or at least they should, says the American Pastors Network (APN).

APN President Sam Rohrer, host of the popular daily radio program, “Stand in the Gap Today,” heard on several hundred stations nationwide, recently explored the topic of “Raising Godly Children in America Today” over the airwaves.

Especially as Purposeful Parenting Month in July winds down, Rohrer says raising children in a godly way is one of the most important jobs of any Christ-follower.

“There is no substitute for Mom and Dad when it comes to raising children,” Rohrer said during the program. “Why? Because it’s God’s model. God says to mothers and fathers, ‘Train up a child in the way he should go.’ In the Old Testament, God made it very clear. Fathers primarily have the ultimate responsibility to give their children the precepts of God’s instruction—to do what God’s Word says, and to do it regularly. That means when they sit down, when they rise up, when they go to sleep.

“In other words,” Rohrer added, “a continual illustration of God’s Word should be made by Mom and Dad, and particularly by dads, on what it looks like to be a father. Who is the model? God in heaven, the Father. Additionally, government is not a substitute for parents, especially since the U.S. government through the Supreme Court removed the 10 Commandments and prayer from schools. Since then, God and God’s Word have increasingly been cleansed from the public schools, there cannot be any instruction in the way of God, God’s view of morality or God’s view of sexuality.

“We as Christian parents and grandparents must know what God’s Word says about respect and honor,” he continued. “Why? Because government has purged the educational system of all those things. If parents rely on government, they will be raising a government child, not a God-looking child.”

For the program about raising godly children, “Stand in the Gap Today” hosts were joined by Tim Schneider, who serves as APN’s Radio and Social Media Manager. Together, the APN leaders discussed tips to help parents seeking to raise godly children in modern-day America. Listen to the clips below on this topic:

  • Parental Responsibility for Children: How are parents especially equipped to help society by being responsible for their children in a way that the government and church cannot?
  • Danger in Public Education Dependency: How is there danger for parents in thinking that the school system is responsible for teaching their children how to function in society when God has given that role to parents?
  • Ups and Downs of Growing up in a Single-Parent Home: Schneider shares his testimony of being raised in a single-parent home. He discusses the ups and downs experienced and his change of heart toward his father who was absent most of his life.
  • A Father to the Fatherless: Schneider grew up in a home where his father wasn’t present. Many men and families at his church saw the need and stepped up to fill the void. He shares some advice to fathers and grandfathers about looking for and helping someone in a similar situation in their spheres of influence.
  • Parental Advice: Children today are growing up in fatherless homes. What advice is there for single parents who are struggling to raise children?
  • Marriage Advice What advice is there in a marriage for a spouse that has left or wronged the other?

To lisen to the entire program on raising godly children, click here; view the entire transcript from the program here.

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Listen to Sam Rohrer on iHeart Radio: Immigration and Borders

On July 24th, APN President, Sam Rohrer, was interviewed by Bobby Gunther Walsh on the topic of Immigration and Borders.

To listen to the interview, please click HERE.

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