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Why Vote? Five Reasons.

“Why should I vote?”

I’m sure you’ve been asked this question before. Perhaps you’ve asked it yourself. I receive this question many times for various reasons. Who says you should vote? Does it make a difference? What if you don’t like the choice of candidates; should you still vote?

As the General Election approaches, this question is even more relevant. From Scriptures to civics and family legacies, here are five reasons I believe we must vote.

1. Scripture reveals what government should look like

Is the Bible silent on government and elections? Far from it. Scripture tells us that God ordained civil government to be His servant for our good. (Romans 13:1-4) Conversely, when government does not serve its God-given purpose, the nation tends toward corruption. The influence of Israel’s kings on the people’s behavior is a prime example.

In Proverbs 14:34 we see that “righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.”

How do we take part in making a nation righteous? We must be salt and light.

“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people’s feet.” Matthew 5:13 (ESV)

One of the ways we can be salt to flavor and even preserve the world around us is to influence who manages our government by participating in the election process and voting. When we choose not to vote, we walk away from our chance to make a difference.

2. Scripture is clear that we need to be good stewards of all that God has given us – including our citizenship.

Unlike many Christians before us, we have the ability to direct the course of our nation through our vote. God has given us the privilege of living in the United States, and just as with any other good gift or talent from God, we are called to be good stewards. The blessing carries with it a responsibility.

In Matthew 25, the Master of the servant who has best used his talent says to him, “‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’” As Americans, our vote is one of our ‘talents;’ we must use it wisely.

3. Elected officials determine laws that affect us – whether we vote or not—and those laws affect our ability to live out our beliefs.

Almost every week, a new headline reminds me how the actions of an elected government official—or someone in government who was appointed by an elected official—affects our freedom to live according to our faith:

  • A school district policy requiring teachers to use students’ preferred pronouns
  • A district court ruling that requires a Christian cake artist to use her services to celebrate a same-sex wedding
  • A city council ordinance banning sidewalk counseling and prayer within a certain distance of abortion facilities.

We live with the choices that are made in elections, and the best time and place to stop bad policy is at the ballot box on Election Day.

Even if you don’t have a great choice between the candidates, (which is why primary elections are important), your vote can still slow the overall decline of our country. It takes patience and perseverance.

 “When the righteous increase, the people rejoice, but when the wicked rule, the people groan.” Proverbs 29:2

4. Every Vote Matters

You may be convinced about your responsibility to vote, but may still wonder, “does my vote really matter?”

In recent years, more elections than ever are being decided by the slimmest of margins.

iVoterGuide has devoted an entire article on the subject, but one only needs to look at the U.S. Senate Republican primary in Pennsylvania this year, where the winning candidate was decided by less than 1,000 votes. Or consider a U.S. House race in Iowa in 2020, where the margin of victory was a mere six votes! Those six people who voted were the deciding factor between having a Representative whom iVoterGuide rated “Conservative” versus one whom we rated “Verified Liberal.”

Such slim margins are even more common in local races. Don’t leave your future and your children’s future to chance. Your vote matters.

5. We impact future generations.

Our children and our children’s children are impacted by how we vote and by the actions taken by officials we elect—or by judges appointed by elected officials.

The impact of our votes on the judiciary alone is sobering when we look at Roe v. Wade and its reversal after nearly half a century of unconstitutional rule . . . and millions of lives lost. Voters were partially responsible for both decisions made by justices who were appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

We must also remember that we impact our children not just with our vote, but with our example. Are we setting an example of someone who is a conformer to culture, or changer of culture?

Are we leaving a legacy, as our forefathers did for us, as people who would devote our “lives, fortunes, and sacred honor” for liberty—not just ours, but our children’s?

“Duty is Ours, Results are God’s” – John Quincy Adams

Whatever your reason for voting—and as you can see, there are many—it all comes down to duty. Our nation was born from stout-hearted patriots who knew their duty and did it, even when the odds were against them.   So even if you have concerns about the integrity of the election process, you still have a civic responsibility to vote. 

As you preserve this country by being a good steward of your vote, iVoterGuide is here to give you information on the candidates so that you can choose wisely and elect those who most closely share your values.

By arming ourselves with facts and testing those facts against prayerful reflection and biblical values, we can be assured that we have made informed choices and carried out our duty regardless of the outcome.

Please use this email to educate others about why they should vote—and remind them to use iVoterGuide before they go to the polls.

Note: The article above was shared by Debbi Wuthnow with iVoterguide.

Sam Rohrer Interviews with Perry Atkinson on the DOVE TV

September 6, 2022

Sam Rohrer, President of American Pastors Network, discusses Pennsylvania politics, the current state and how Christians should act in times like these.

To watch the interview, please click HERE.

“When God’s Justice Awakens”: A Wake-Up Call to America

By Hon. Sam Rohrer

To print this transcript from a PDF file, please click HERE.


Tomorrow, we celebrate the 246th birthday of the United States of America. The longest continuing constitutional Republic in the history of the world. And blessed of God, beyond description, this nation, our nation rose from nothing to become perhaps the greatest nation in terms of wealth and knowledge and compassion and creativity and work ethic and all of history. Like no nation before, the United States rose to prominence among the other nations of the world becoming the thought leader of the world, of the free world, the defender of the helpless. The communicator of truth and the proclaimer of the gospel to all people groups. Though hated by tyrants and despisers of God, this nation became a beacon of hope to the beleaguered. A light on the hill to the oppressed and a holy experiment in freedom to all of those in bondage everywhere.

               So, God used this nation to bring hope to an enslaved world and to evangelize a world illuminated by that light, which became this shining city on a hill and to bring prosperity to a world just like prophesied in Jeremiah 51:7 where God says there, “Thou, oh Babylon, hath been a golden cup in the Lord’s hands.” Today we sit here still enjoying many of God’s past blessings, and of that, we certainly can be thankful. Now that’s the good news. America became the fulfillment of exactly that for which our earliest founders hoped and prayed. But today America hangs on the precipice of total destruction and collapse and losing, as we speak, all that God has bestowed upon us.

               For over two generations, our nation has called evil good and good evil. For 60 years, last week, God has put up with America’s defiance of its generous invitation and command to pray when our nation’s highest court made it illegal to pray by our children in our government schools. For 49 years, I believe God has watched and wept over America, once one nation under God. Now the worldwide cheerleader and the enabler of the murder of the innocent. And since that door was first opened in 1973, the sanctioning of the slaughter of innocent children, over 65 million babies have been ripped from the wombs of their mothers and torn apart as this nation stands as condemned as Israel of old who sacrificed their babies on the altars of Molech and Baal.

               Now, with the court ruling of last week of Roe v. Wade, this is certainly a good thing for which we should all be thankful. Yet the decision does not make the murder of the unborn illegal. It just moves the debate back to the states where it should have been all along, yet the verdict is still out. What will God’s people and the Church in America now do? With less than 9% of the pulpits of America for the last 10 or 15 years even preaching one sermon per year on life and the sin of abortion because they feared someone in the pew, what do you think’s going to happen now in the pulpits of America when there are actually people out there threatening to harm those churches and the people who stand up?

               For 42 years, God has endured the arrogance of our nation when it raised its fist in the face of God Himself when our U.S. Supreme Court ordered the removal, from the walls of our government schools, the 10 Commandments of God. God’s moral universal law. Do you know what the Court said when they ordered the removal of the 10 Commandments? Effectively these words, “If the 10 Commandments are hanging on the walls of our schools, it’s possible that our children may read them. If they read them, it’s possible, they may venerate them or do them.” The court said, “This we cannot permit.” But America still didn’t learn. Still spiraling downward. From a national perspective, America has become the 21st century Sodom and Gomorrah.

               For 7 years now, last week, our nation’s highest court in grand arrogance to God Himself, but reflecting the leaders of government, generally, and the people themselves, defied the God of Heaven, the Creator of all mankind. Not to be out done by the evil of murdering our babies, our top determiners of law declared that the God who made male and female and established marriage and children to reflect the pattern of human civilization was again wrong. On June 26th, 2015, the court embraced as righteous the demonic structure of marriage as being between two men or two women and embracing as normal what God declares to be an abomination!

               Romans 1 makes it very clear. Not content to revel in sin themselves, they seek to compel all people, not only to embrace, but to participate in this evil. God has watched, God has wept, and God began to judge just as He said. And not to be forgotten, yet wildly overlooked was a decision by this very same Supreme Court who 10 days ago, thankfully, reversed the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. Two years ago, June 15th, 2020, this Court ruled in a six to three margin in favor of protecting and establishing the abomination of transgenderism as an acceptable definition of human sexuality. So, this morning, it is remarkable our nation rose to greatness.

               It’s also equally remarkable of our fall into moral collapse and judgment as we witness this very day. It’s on that theme that I’d like to focus this morning’s sermon, which God has laid on my heart. Not from my subjective opinions, because I don’t mean a whole lot, but from God’s unchanging word which means everything.

               Rather than focusing on the what of Independence Day weekend and citing reminiscent platitudes and rehearsing selected pleasant, patriotic thoughts, which I would prefer to do, I want to present and consider from God’s perspective 4 questions that focus on the Why? Why did America rise from nothing and become the greatest nation perhaps in all of human history? Why did America maintain such longevity of greatness? Why is America collapsing and in moral free fall? Why are Americans so lethargic and blind to the actual condition of being under God’s judgment? I believe the answer to these questions lie in answering these questions from the perspective of when God’s Justice Awakens. A wake-up call to America as we consider His speaking to our nation and the backdrop of the familiar words of independence and liberty and freedom and greatness.

               Can we pray just briefly? Our Heavenly Father, we’re thankful that we can be here in a country raised up of You, blessed beyond measure and be here today gathered together with fellow believers in Your house. I pray, Lord, You’d guide us as we look back to what You have done, what You are doing, and Lord, what we should do. We pray in Jesus’ name, amen.

Well, before I identify the foundations established by our founders years ago, let me read to you a few verses that they identified as a part of their motivation for their choices, which should compel us to action in our lives today. From the book of Deuteronomy Chapter 30, you’ll see on the screen, it says, “See, I have set before thee this day life and death, good and evil. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you that I have set before you, life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore, choose life that both thou and thy seed may live. That thou mayest love the Lord thy God and mayest obey His voice and thou mayest cleave unto Him for He is thy life and the length of thy days.”

               You see, there are only two paths that God says exist, life and death. God’s desire is for all people and nations to choose life, which is blessing – both temporal and eternal, both physical and spiritual. Deuteronomy Chapter 28:1-2 says, “And it shall come to pass. If thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments which I command you this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee high above all nations of the earth. And all these blessings shall come on thee and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.” Again, God makes it clear, there are only two choices in life, but only one choice that guarantees God’s blessings and liberty and freedom and prosperity. And that is fearing Him and keeping His commandments.

               In Deuteronomy Chapter 28, same chapter, part way through God changes it and He says, “And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command you this day. To the right hand or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them. But it shall come to pass, if thou will not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God to observe to do all His commandments, and statutes which I command you this day, that all these curses shall come upon you and literally overtake you.” See God makes it clear again, all other choices guarantee cursing and bondage and poverty. Then the Apostle Paul in the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 3:11, says, “For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, Jesus Christ.

               You see, the Bible is unmistakably clear. There is no other foundation which can be laid, which leads to life except through fearing God and keeping His commandments, which then leads directly to the gospel in Jesus Christ. The foundation, of course, is the manifest essence of choosing life. The entire purpose of God’s Plan of Redemption being fulfilled in Jesus Christ the Way the Truth and the Life.

Why did America rise from nothing to greatness? Because the early founders established the foundations for national and personal blessing. The Pilgrims… we referred to Pilgrim’s feet in the song earlier… the Pilgrims contributed 3 primary foundations.

The first was the foundation of Right Personal Priorities. You see, the Pilgrims, unlike the early Jamestown, Virginia landing party, did not come to America as a business venture looking for gold. The Pilgrims came expressly for evangelization of this new world and to train up their children in the fear of God. Believe it or not, since they knew and felt that in Holland at their time, they were losing their children to a decadent culture. Amazing. The Pilgrims came not for gold, but for God.

The second Pilgrim foundation was that of National Purpose, which they officially stated in what is the first of our three organic documents of law. The Mayflower Compact, the first lines of that say, “In the name of God, amen.” Having undertaken for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith.” Pretty amazing, huh?

The third foundation was that of a Heavenly Cultural Mission. John Robinson, the first Pilgrim leader, said this, “I perceived that God was calling us to a new Jerusalem to build His temple anew.” See they came not to build first their own home, but a dwelling place, a nation where God could freely be worshiped, and God could fully bless.

               Then a few short 10 years later, the Puritans arrived, and through the very great fear of God and knowledge of Scripture contributed 4 additional foundations building on that which the Pilgrims laid down. The Puritans, particularly, understood the biblical nexus between obedience to God and God’s blessings, and disobedience to God and God’s judgment.

Their first significant foundation was what I call, Generational Perspective. They made their testimony known before the world, and with it, established a working vision and purpose that looked ahead to the future. John Winthrop, first governor of the Colony of Massachusetts, said this, “That God would make us a praise and a glory so much so that men would say of succeeding efforts that the Lord make it like that of New England.” In short Winthrop said, “We must consider that we shall be as a shining city on a hill with the eyes of all the people- of the whole world- is upon us.” They knew that their mission was divine.

The second Puritan foundation was that of an Attitude of Gratitude. They instituted the principle of gratitude to God building off of the Pilgrim’s practice of Thanksgiving because they knew that being grateful is not only commanded by God, but it is also the practical antidote to pride and idolatry-which are the very seeds of rebellion guaranteeing the judgment of God. While every foundation that was laid for later building of the house of civil government and God’s blessing, there is a particular significance to this principle of gratitude. Can I share?

               When God took Israel into the land, in the beginning part of Deuteronomy, He said, I’m going to bless you mightily and give you all the things, houses, and all that kind of things. But He said then, “I warn you though, don’t get to the point where I bless you and then you think that you did it by your own hands.” Because at which point that happens, it will all change. Proverbs 6:17 says, “These six things that the Lord hates.” Yeah, seven are an abomination.” What’s the first one on the list? Pride, pride and a haughty look. It was pride that took a hold of Satan and caused him to lift himself up against God. It is pride that God said He hates particularly, particularly in regard to civil leaders. It’s because of pride that God says He will take down all of those who are proud and haughty. Nebuchadnezzar recognized that. God says that it is pride, which is the root which leads to idolatry, which is the breaking of the very first command of God given to all people. It is a sin that will bring judgment against nations more certainly than anything. It is pride, which I believe, is at the root of America’s greatest sin.

The third foundation contributed by the Puritans is that of Christian Education in two distinct areas. They knew God’s primary command for parents was to raise up their children in the fear of God. Deuteronomy 6 says this, “Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is one LORD. And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy might. And these words, which I command you this day, shall be in thine heart. And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children and talk of them.” It goes on to the verse- when you get up in the morning, when you sit down and all through the day. In other words, 24 hours a day Christianity, belief in God. If there’s one greatest need we have in America and the American church today is for fathers to take their primary responsibility for teaching their children, and together with the mother, to raise up children in the fear and the admonition of the Lord.

               But a second part of the Puritan commitment to Christian education was Secondary Education…but for the purpose of instructing men how to preach the gospel and to connect biblical principles to life and living. From this came the establishment of Harvard University in 1636. The first university in America and it was expressly established to teach men how to boldly preach the Word. Can you believe that? Reason, so that the world would know that the purpose for Christian education. The Puritans wrote the Rules and Precepts of Education and posted them on the wall of Harvard that is still hanging there, unless they took it down last week. Says this, “Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well that the main end of his life in studies is to know God and Jesus Christ who is eternal life. John 17:3, Therefore, to lay Christ in the bottom as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning.” Incredible?

A very important fourth foundation laid down by the Puritans was the concept of Memorials for they knew that this would help facilitate the foundation of a generational perspective, an attitude of gratitude and a Christian education. They took this from the illustration and command found in Joshua 4. It’s that passage, if you recall, Israel had wandered in the land for forty years and were about to cross into the promised land. The Jordan River was at high tide, they couldn’t get across. God said, Priests, step into the water, and it opened up. He commanded them to take out 12 stones and put them on the bank. One for each tribe and he called it a Memorial, Put it there for a Memorial to the next generations. Verse 21 of chapter four says this, “When your children will ask your fathers in time to come saying what means these stones? Then you shall let your children know saying Israel came over this Jordan on dry land.”

               Then for these two purposes, why? “That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the Lord,” kind of like Winthrop’s city on a hill. “That it is mighty and that you might fear the Lord your God forever”. Memorials are to remind us of what God has done, and so we can tell our children, so they don’t forget what God has done. Isn’t it interesting a couple years ago, how many people wanted to tear down all kinds of memorials? There’s a lot to that.

Well then, along came William Penn, the founder of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. William Penn contributed one extraordinary foundation where he connected the principles of Scripture and personal holiness, and he linked those blessings to the fear of God and obedience to the Lord as the framework for civil government.

               He combined the principles of biblical authority and liberty into what Penn called his Frame of Government 1682, which earned him the right, in part, the designation by Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson as the Father of the Founders. Through his exhaustive and brilliant study of Scripture and history and borne out by his own personal testimony of being cast out by his family when he came to faith in Christ, Penn laid down the foundation for civil freedom in the knowledge that liberty is being set free from the bondage of sin. Many cynics and atheists of our day love to state how our nation was not founded by Christians or Christian thought. It is wrong to claim such thing. Well, let me read to you, you’ll find this amazing, I believe, just a portion of a brilliant defense of the gospel in regard to the right to religious freedom…so important to Penn. You decide if the early founders understood the essence of biblical faith.

               He said this, “in Christ’s own words, they do plainly teach,” he says, “the son of man has come to save that which was lost.” Upon another occasion, he expressed himself to the same purpose in almost the same words, “For the son of man has come to seek and to save those who were lost.” Well, who is this that is lost but man? In what sense can man be said to be lost except by sin and disobedience? It was the sin and disobedience that cast him out of the presence of the garden of God and put him in a condition of eternal misery. If Christ then came to save lost man, he must be understood to save him from that which puts him in a lost condition, and that is sin, for the wages of sin is death.

               The servant of sin is a son of perdition. We must faithfully tell people that he that commits sin is the servant of sin from which servitude Christ came to save His people, and that is why He’s called the Savior and the Redeemer. Nothing can be more apparent than that freedom from actual sinning and giving newness of life to the souls of men was the great reason for Christ coming. For which he has given us his fullness of grace and truth, grace for grace. And to be under grace and not under the law is not to have the liberty to do which we ought not to have done before or be excused from former obligations. But to be freed from the condemnation of the law, first, through the remission of sins that are past based on faith and repentance.

               And next freeing us from that weakness by which we were disabled from keeping God’s law, and in fulfilling the righteousness of it by receiving and obeying the light and the grace that comes through Jesus Christ.”

Wow! Now, this type of deep understanding was not unique.  It is what led the later signers of the Declaration of Independence some years later, and the leaders of our War for Independence to further lay down the foundation for civil freedom in the knowledge that liberty is being set free from the bondage of sin. This knowledge then leads to the understanding, and this is critical, civil freedom can only be birthed and maintained by people who have first experienced spiritual liberty and freedom in Christ.

Again, let me ask the question, why did America rise from nothing to perhaps become the greatest nation in history? Because our founders feared God and they laid down the essential foundations that God could bless. Oh, that we would  remember that …yesterday.

The second greatest question of importance is why did America maintain its longevity of greatness when most nations of the world dissolved or fell into dictatorship early on?

Well, a first fundamental reason was a consequence of the Puritan foundation of Christian education and the commitment to teach men how to boldly preach the whole council of God. You may remember this story, American revolution, parallel, French revolution. American revolution succeeded, French revolution failed.

               French historian, Alex Tocqueville, came to America to figure out why it was that America succeeded and France failed? He said, he came to America, he said, “I went into the academic institutions of America to see is the secret there? Well, he said, -I didn’t find it there. I traveled America, I traversed, I saw their fertile stream. I mean, their streams in fertile fields.” I thought, “Is it there?” He says, “No, it’s not there.” I went into industry of America, it wasn’t there. I went into the halls of government, and I looked, and I said, “It’s not there.” And Tocqueville said this, “It’s not until I went into the churches of America and heard the pulpit’s flame with the preaching of righteousness that I understand the secret to the success of America.” He said this, “America is great because America is good. Good equals righteous. If America ever ceases to be good, righteous, America will cease to be great.” How biblical? How prophetical?

A second reason is that God had a Plan for America. Do you know that God has a Plan of Redemption that was telegraphed right in the first part of Genesis? And it works throughout all of history and God works through nations. Job 12:23 says, “God increases the nations and he destroys them. He enlargeth the nations and he straighteneth them out again.” Acts 17 is all about God working through nations. God works through nations. But we also know, according to Daniel, Daniel 2, that, “God changes with the times and the seasons and he removeth Kings and he sets them up so no one gets in a position of power unless God, through his sovereign action, allows them to be there.” So, God had a plan for America. No people, no nation should ever think that anything is all about them. It’s all about God, and God’s Plan of Redemption. That’s why history is His story, not ours.

Now the third reason is that God honored the early commitment to fear God and keep his commandments. I read a couple of the verses from Deuteronomy 28: 1-2, Fear me and keep my commandments and I’m going to pour out so many blessings you won’t be able to handle them. So, God was a God of promise.

Fourth unique reason for the longevity of America’s greatness is that God sent periodic revivals and spiritual awakenings.

               First great awakening, Jonathan Edwards, in the “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”, we know that sermon changed America. 1720 to 1745, immediately preceding the Declaration of Independence. Second grade awakening, Charles Finney preceded The Civil War. Third grade awakening, Dwight L. Moody just followed The Civil War. Billy Sunday opened up the 20th Century. One thing that pride does is that pride blinds us to the reality that man does not create greatness, man does not schedule great awakenings, and man does not plan revivals. God does. Although, man does, through the fear of God and his obedience to God, prepare the ground for revival.

               Now, fifth reason is that throughout our history, leaders Recognized the Role of God and their Role before God. A couple of quotes here, just look at these quickly. Thomas Jefferson early on said, “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. That His justice cannot sleep forever.” Abraham Lincoln said, “Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side, my greatest concern is if we are on God’s side for God is always right.”

               Here’s one of the most interesting, Abraham Lincoln in the Gettysburg address quoted these words which came from the Bible of William Tyndale, and it was Tyndale’s translation of the Bible into readable English that set the pathway that led into the preparation for the Pilgrims and the Puritans to come to our country. In the flyleaf of Tyndale’s Bible is where Lincoln took this. Tyndale said this, “This Bible is translated and will make possible a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.” Interesting.

In light of all this amazing history, why is America collapsing in a moral free fall? Well, there are multiple reasons.

A prime and fundamental one I believe is that we’ve just simply forsaken God and we have no fear of God before our eyes.

This is evidenced in part by these things, our actions, collectively, our actions which indicate that we are proud and we feel we don’t have any need for God. Our priorities are self-centered and unbiblical in most part. Generally speaking, it’s definitely true. Our public policies and judicial congressional laws, executive mandates are almost exclusively evil from spending and spending and debt and debt to redefining what God has said to be good to be evil. Our pulpits are silent. You know less than 9% of the pulpits of America, I mentioned earlier, have even preached one sermon on a moral issue in the last 20 years. Most professing Christians are chameleon Christians, and the church is very lethargic.

               No real difference between those who say they are Christians and those who don’t. Our families are broken and dysfunctional. Our national worldview is anti-God. You know there are less than 5% of Americans manifest a biblical worldview? Do you know that there’s a dominant religion in America? … and it’s not Christianity. The dominant religion in America, according to George Barna’s recent survey, is what he calls Syncretism. By 94%, you may call it modern narcissism. It’s a little bit of Christianity, a little bit of Buddhism, a little bit of mysticism, a little bit of atheism all put together and we make this our new religion, and the key is as long as you feel good about it. It’s not God’s Word.

Now another reason we’re in moral free fall and economic collapse is that we’ve Destroyed the Foundations of truth. Psalm 11:3 said, “If the foundations be destroyed, what shall the righteous do?” Foundations of what? Foundations of truth. Foundations of authority I believe is what that verse is talking about. Well, when you declare prayer illegal, tear off the 10 Commandments, murder 65 million babies, and less than 30% of the evangelical pastors in the nation believe that the Bible is authoritative. You don’t think that refers to and meets the definition of destroyed foundations? You throw out truth, it will lead to a Rejection of God, which then leads to a Redefining of truth, which then leads to Perverting of Justice, which then leads to Praising the Lawless, which then leads to the Persecution of the Righteous, which then leads to People mourning because the righteous are not in authority. Then that leads to exactly what God says will happen to any nation when a people reject him, and His judgment begins.

There’s another reason, we’ve also committed the sins and evil which God says guaranteed will bring judgment, cursing, collapse. Just very quickly, Ezekiel 20, read Ezekiel 20 and 21 and 22. Ezekiel’s kind of like a prosecutor for God, and he’s laying out the sins of Israel. He just said this, –As Israel did when embracing idolatry and taking innocent blood and literally breaking all the 10 Commandments,– is what he records in Ezekiel 20. Literally every one of them are broken there. I submit, so have we as America.

               Ezekiel 22 goes further,–Israel at all governmental levels and the people themselves for their own greed distorted justice, embraced bribery, and corruption. They threw out truth to the wind and they proclaimed good to be bad and evil to be good– So have we.

We’ve also rejected the repeated warnings of God and ascribed them to human natural causes. Think about this, how many fires and floods and droughts do we have to have across this country increasingly that devastate our land and just say, Well, I guess that’s a result of global warming. COVID comes, manmade bioweapon, yes, it was. It comes, it came and look what happened. But God used that, it knocked down our idols of sports and entertainment and selfish pursuits and prosperity and mobility and security.

               And we dismiss it as perhaps a product of the Left, a coincidence? In the end, we just don’t understand the justice of God and His holiness and His hatred for sin and the need for judgment. Take time, go back and read Deuteronomy 28 because you will find all the listings of blessings that God said would come and you will find almost double the amount of judgment that will come on Israel and God did it. You look and see if they don’t every one of them line up with America today. It is incredible.

Brings us to the last question. Why are Americans so lethargic and blind to the actual condition of being under God’s judgment? How can we just continue to go on?

I think in large part because the church is Laodicean. I can’t help but comparing the church of today to the church of the Laodiceans. Revelation chapter 3, Jesus describes them being rich, increased with physical stuff and they thought they had no need of anything. They were just ‘all right’, but Jesus said they were really wretched and miserable and poor, and poverty stricken, and they were blind and naked. He said, –Take some of your money and buy some eye salve so you can see your real condition!– I think we have a lethargic church. I think, by and large, our people are idolatrous. I know they are idolatrous. God through Ezekiel says the same thing, “You have become guilty by the blood that you have shed, and you’ve been defiled by the idols that you have made, and you have brought your days near. The appointed time of your years has come.” See, the mercy of God is long, but the justice of God will step in.

               The people in the entire nation ignore the voice of God. How can I say that? Well, just as Israel began to experience the severe hand of God’s judgment, that’s what the Old Testament’s is all about. We can find it, our application to us today. They would not turn to God. So, has God not been speaking to us? And have we returned to God? Even when the prophets of old were traversing the land of Israel and declaring the warnings of God, the people rejected them. Isaiah 9:13 says, “The people did not turn to him, God, who judged them, nor did they even think of inquiring of the Lord of hosts.” Our problem is that we don’t recognize when God is speaking. Worse, I think we got a real problem in that we don’t even think God has a right to speak.

               In spite of 9/11, COVID, generally, pestilences of all various types, destructive weather, collapsing economy and dollar, wars and rumors of war that’s traversing the world, the rise of the globalist anti-Christ government, still even then, government leaders, they don’t recognize God and remain arrogant, proud, compromised, given to bribery and corruption, fearful and covetous. The church closes down.  Many people have still felt it comfortable to stay at home. Even many God-fearing people think that some politician can make America great again, and refuse to acknowledge that America can never become great again until God, once again, becomes great in America!

Now, as a result, we just simply don’t see a need to humble ourselves as 2 Chronicles 7:14 says, “If my people who are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face, then I will hear from heaven. I will forgive their sin. I will heal their land.” But since we don’t even recognize how God speaks and God speaks through weather, God speaks through all of those things…. read Deuteronomy…. how will we ever hear or understand what He’s saying? For some reason, I think because we’re dominated by pride and a false sense of self-produced greatness, we think that God’s conditions for blessings and judgment don’t apply to us. We think that in America all we’ve ever known is blessing, and it just couldn’t be any other way. But this is not the default position in life.

               Like Babylon the Great referred to in Revelation 18:7, God said that when He’ll pronounce judgment on this nation… this has not yet happened, prophetically. He says, “How much she hath glorified herself and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she sayeth in her heart, I sit as a queen. I’m not a widow, I see no sorrow.” And God says, “Therefore, shall her plagues come in a day, death and mourning and famine and she shall be utterly burned with fire for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.” Does this not sound like America?

Finally, this most serious question, perhaps we don’t recognize the voice of God and are content to ignore the word of God, and therefore, see no need to humble ourselves in the sight of God or seek the face of God. Maybe it’s because we’re not possibly the people of God, and you say, “What are you talking about?”

               Because I remember that verse that says, “If my people who are called by my name.” Think of this… George Barna, whom I do a lot of work with, just did a recent survey early this year. 74% of all Americans self-identify as Christians. 74%, you’d say, “Wow, that’s fantastic.” It would be if it’d be true, but we know it’s not true. It’s not possible. Otherwise, we wouldn’t be in the condition that we’re in, right?

               But going down through, 30%, identify as being born again Christians. I say, “Oh, 30%, big number. That’s fantastic.” Now 28% self-identify as being evangelical. Interesting. But here’s the bottom line, when you work it all down through only 6% to 7% actually manifest that what they say is what they believe. Well over half of all of them don’t believe that the Bible is true. Well over half of all of those, including the born againers and the evangelicals who say they are, don’t believe that the Holy Spirit or the Devil are real.

So, it reminds me very much of this, America looks very much like Israel of the Old Testament, Laodicea of the New Testament. And very much like the people that Jesus warned about in Matthew 7:13-23. This is where Jesus says this, you remember the disciples… He was talking to them and He said, “There are two ways.” Just like I talked about with the founders. There are two ways. There’s a narrow way… a narrow gate. There’s a broad way…a broad gate. Many on this big path, the crowd is over here. Few on this path, it’s narrow. Then Jesus says this, —In that day, when judgment comes, many people— I don’t know what He means by ‘many’, but ‘many is not a few’. Many people will stand before Me and will say, “But God, Jesus, didn’t we do all of these great things in Your name?” Obviously, ‘in Your name’, they’ve got to be saying we are God fearers, Christians. We did it in Your name. We even cast out devils. We did a whole host of good things, and Jesus said…

               …And, this is perhaps, I think– to me, perhaps the scariest, most solemn verse in the whole Bible where Jesus looks at them and says it makes no difference, “Depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you.” Wow! When I look around at America and I say, how so little respond to hearing the words of God. Responding in fear to the word of God. I’m convinced that Jesus was talking about our time, and George Barna was talking, and his research is proving, the time. We have a lot of professors, but very few possessors. Not My People.

Now that we can– from God’s Word and from history– know that God blessed this nation, He’s clearly now judging America, and we know that what God is saying, the logical question is How will you respond to this? How will I?

               This morning, there are people here watching TV, listening to radio– I think–in one of two groups. You’re either a child of God by faith in Jesus Christ or still a child of the Devil dead in sins. You’re either on the narrow way leading to Life or you’re on the broad way leading to death. You’ve either been redeemed by the Blood of Jesus Christ, the Spotless Lamb of God, or you are still a rejector, unredeemed, rebellious in an innate sin nature, born with it. But one day we’re all going to stand before Him in one of those two categories. To you who know you have not placed your faith in Jesus Christ, what a great weekend, Independence Day weekend, to experience spiritual liberty. Which only comes from being set free in Jesus Christ.

               For you, who self-identify as Christians but have little evidence in your life of fearing God…. you’re a Sunday Christian only.  A lot of people come to church only a couple times a week or a year, or for them, Christian life is what they think on Sunday but forget the rest of the week. This dreadful thought, standing one day before the Lord and say, “Lord, I went to church once in a while. I did a lot of good things. I gave money. I did this, I did that.” And Jesus said, “Depart from me, I never knew you.”

               I believe as we look around the world today, all of the signs, the prophetical signs of Christ’s return are literally on the table right now and they are moving. They are converging like never, ever before, which tells me that the time of great wrath, tribulation period, the rapture of the church to come first, is at the door. That means we’d better say, “Lord, what’s my relationship to You like? Is it real? Do I have one? Am I living like it? Shall we bow our heads, please?

American Pastors Network President Sam Rohrer Statement on SCOTUS ruling in Coach Kennedy Case


-News Release

Throughout history, Americans have affirmed faith in God inside private and very public spaces. From the opening of legislative sessions and the inaugurations of every president and governor, to proclamations requesting silent prayer during war and natural disasters, expressions of faith recognize the limits of human strength.  

Today’s decision affirming the right of a high school football coach, Joseph Kennedy, to invite players to participate in voluntary prayer was not an endorsement of specific expressions of faith but an affirmation of the right to believe and the freedom to express those beliefs without fear or penalty.  

We call on America’s pastors to help congregations rediscover the importance of true prayer and dependence on God. This moment offers a signal to deepen, or even begin, a personal relationship with the Creator and gives every pastor and church leader a reason for new earnestness in prayer.  

Overall, we urge Christians nationwide to pray for all those in authority to allow believers to live “quiet and peaceable” lives while we work for the peace of our communities and nation. 

Today’s historic Supreme Court decision signals to every American the right to acknowledge the God-given, constitutionally guaranteed right to acknowledge God in every area of their life and work.  

The American Pastors Network is the first and largest national network of Bible-believing pastors committed to teaching and applying biblical principles as the moral compass and source of truth for all matters of life. APN encourages civic responsibility and impacts the culture for Christ.

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A Call to Prayer…Repentance…Revival

VCY America Interviews Sam Rohrer

Date: May 5, 2022
Host: Jim Schneider
​Guest: Sam Rohrer

Show Notes:

As Jim noted as he opened the show, we are living in perilous times.  These are times that the Apostle Paul warned young pastor Timothy about.  He talked about how men will be lovers of themselves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy and more, all of which you can read about in 1 Timothy   It all reads like a commentary on 2022. 

God’s hand of blessing on America certainly appears to be slipping away.  Will it ever return?  Is there a way back to what we once were?  Where is the solution?

Joining Jim to explore this issue was Sam Rohrer.  Sam is president of the American Pastors Network.  Sam is a former member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives where he was Chair of the House Finance Committee.  He is the speaker on Stand in the Gap Radio and Stand in the Gap Television.

Sam noted that God raises up nations and he takes them down.  So as God worked with Israel, that’s the pattern for nations around the world.  

He indicated that America got off course when we began to experience what Israel did as God communicates in Deuteronomy 28.  God told Israel that he brought them out of bondage to a new land and if they’d fear him and keep his commandments, then he’d pour out so many blessings, Israel would not be able to handle it.  Then after listing those blessings, God told Israel that if they turn their back on him and think that those blessings came from their own hands, he’d turn those blessings into judgment.

So once we believe that what we have came from our own strength, prowess and intellect, we’ve then taken God off the throne and have replaced him with man.  When such idolatry becomes the religion of a nation, God’s judgment steps in.

Don’t miss your opportunity to review this special National Day of Prayer broadcast that also answers the following:

  • Are we just now walking into judgment or are we close to final judgment?
  • Is there a path for returning to God?  Can there be national renewal/revival?
  • What are the 10 principles that describe democracies and their history as they move from bondage to freedom and back to bondage?  What step does Sam believe the U.S. is at?

Sam Rohrer Interviews on America Outloud

Topic: Ukraine Conflict May Have Deeper Meaning

On Sunday, March 13, 2022, Hon. Sam Rohrer interviewed with ‘Viewpoint this Sunday’ on the America Outloud Network. Dr. Lee Vliet hosted the program and another guest, Attorney Todd Callender, also participated in the discussion.

The topic was, “Ukraine Conflict May Have Deeper Meaning for America”.

More information:

Pentagon-funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine go back to 2004 under the Obama administration with these labs being in several countries on Russia’s borders. Ask yourself the following questions:

How do we trust a government that denies these labs are there when the same government agencies have been lying to us throughout the entire pandemic? We know the DARPA and the US-funded gain of function research at UNC and Wuhan China ⏤ was Ukraine next on that list? Is Russian President Vladimir Putin out to destroy the bioweapon labs on his border? Is the constant focus on Russia-Ukraine providing cover for the administration to carry out the planned destruction of America and our own military?

To listen to the interview, click HERE.

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The COVID Vaccine- Resources to Read, Listen to, and Print

PDF of ***Updated (Jan. 2022) Covid 19 Treatment and Protocols, Including Vaccine Injury Protocols and Suggested Lab Testing by Dr. Gordon Donaldson as heard on Stand in the Gap Today 11/13/21.

Read and Print the PDF HERE.

COVID Vaccinations Part 1: The Medical Truth about CV Vaccines: Helpful Healer or Camouflaged Killer? An interview with Dr. Delores Cahill

Read and download the Transcript HERE.
PROGRAM: Listen to the program HERE.

COVID Vaccinations Part 2: The CV Vaccines: Unapproved, Experimental, and Potentially Fatal. An interview with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny.

Read and download the Transcripts HERE.
PROGRAM: Listen to the program HERE.

COVID Vaccinations Part III: Should I Take the SARS CoV-2 Vaccine? From the Words of the Manufacturers Themselves. An analysis of the Pfizer vaccine “Fact Sheet”. Click HERE for the printable PDF.

Other Resources (Click on the title to listen to the podcast):

1/31/21- Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Twila Brase. Title: The COVID-19 ‘Narrative’

1/21/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. Title: The COVID-Vaccines: Unapproved, Experimental and Potentially Fatal (Part 2 of 2 interviews with Dr. Tenpenny).

2/4/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Leo Hohmann.  Title: A Free Country? Beware the Double Masking Double Crossers

2/5/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Mat Staver. Title: COVID-19 and the Law

3/12/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Twila Brase. Title: Official COVID Guidance and Policies: Setting the Record Straight.

4/8/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guests Rabbi E. David Smith and David New: Title: COVID Passports: Necessary or Abhorrent.

4/9/21- Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Leo Hohmann. Title: Emerging COVID Passports: Highway to Heaven or Gateway to Hell.

5/19/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Sam Faddis. Title: Connecting the COVID Bioweapon Dots

5/28/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Jamie Mitchell Title: Would Jesus Take the Vaccine?

6/10/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Dr. Marilyn Singleton Title: The Forever COVID Specter

6/11/21 – Stand in the Gap Today with guest, Leo Hohmann Title: Is COVID the New Global Religion?

To listen to more programs on Covid-19, the ‘Vaccine’, Mandates, etc. click HERE to access the Stand in the Gap Today archives.

Use key words to search programs like: Dr. Donaldson, Twila Brase, Dr. Marilyn Singleton, Dr. Delores Cahill, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

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Wake Up, Pastor! Wake Up, America! -a letter from APN President, Hon. Sam Rohrer

Dear Pastor, Parent, Employer, Educator, Elected Official, Citizen……

There’s no other way to say it than, ‘human life is under assault’! Ignore the starkness of that statement if you want but the Facts and the Truth do not change. The impacts of the COVID 19 panic policies embedded within strategic deception is not saving human life but destroying humanity. Today we’re witnessing legalized mass murder and globalist-initiated genocide. I have no more accurate way to say it.

“What connects two thousand years of genocide? Too much power in too few hands.”Simon Wiesenthal

“The more it (vaccination) is supported by public authorities, the more its dangers and disadvantages will be concealed or denied.”M. Beddow Bayly, British physician

“The duty of the survivor is to bear testimony to what happened . . . You have to warn people that these things can happen, that evil can be unleashed. Race hatred, violence, idolatries—they still flourish.”Elie Wiesel

“We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Three generations of imbeciles are enough.” US Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Buck v. Bell, 1927

My purpose now is not to present the compelling evidence of underlying governmental bribery, corruption, and conflict of interest. It’s not my immediate purpose to present indisputable proof that these panic policies have crushed the American economy or cavalierly discarded historical medical research standards and bioethics or trashed established diagnostic, therapeutic, and treatment protocols. It’s not my immediate purpose to prove how these calculated COVID Panic polices are being used as justification to gut our Constitutional Rights of worship, conscience, life, or liberty. My purpose is not even to prove here how the fundamental purpose of government has been subverted from its limited purpose of protecting the God-given rights of our people to making law out of thin air under the guise of ‘emergency’ and limiting worship, travel, employment, and rewriting history by attempting to steal the power from the people by turning it over into the hands of a tyrannical global elite.

My immediate purpose with God’s help is to present 2 considerations: and urge you to take action:

1) Reconsider the facts and the implications of remaining silent in the face of ‘mass murder’ and genocide:

* Consider the body of evidence objectively and in the light of Truth.

* Consider your duty to warn others of danger as an Ezekiel 33, “watchman on the wall” and the implications of having ‘blood on your hands’ if you remain silent.

* Consider the voices of thousands of medical experts around the world who compelled by conscience, Hippocratic oath and moral duty to God are screaming out warnings, but being silenced, shunned or worse.

* Consider the millions of people taking the Covid injection expecting promised health and restoration but instead incur a sentence of death and misery, disability, and suffering.

* Consider leading your people to repentance, humility before God and calling out for God’s mercy.

2) Objectively consider the following 6 evidences and personal testimonies supporting my concerns. While the following firsthand testimonies describe the extent of harm being inflicted by the injections are ‘unofficial’, they are truthful and unbiased because of their unsolicited nature, they are compelling both factually and statistically. When combined with official Government VAERS/CDC data, this type of on the ground ‘qualitative’ data now easily identifiable from across the nation, validates with great assurance the validity of the assertion that what is occurring is indeed ‘mass murder’ and ‘genocide’.

Evidence #1: Dr. Sherri Tenpenny testimonial – READ and WEEP.

Last week, my Christian friend, medical authority, researcher, speaker, author and teacher, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny sent me this following note:

I always buy meds on because this is the only online pharmacy that offers such huge discounts. I’m not sure how it can set such a low price, but that’s what it does. I’ve checked the licensing, it’s OK, so there’s no way this website sells low-quality medicines. I’ve ordered drugs there many times, and they all worked as they should.

In a two week stretch my friend had this happen: * Her husband got his second Covid injection and was found dead 48 hours later in his front yard (he was around 65 years old)! * Her best friend’s brother got the injection and died same the day. (He was only 52 years old)! * Then her cousin, a nurse, (she wouldn’t get vaxxed or let her husband) saw her husband’s 4 good friends with whom he would run together, get the injection and three of the 4 died within three weeks!* Then her girlfriends, all around 28-30 years and pregnant, four got the injection and three miscarried!

(Sam, this is mass murder!)

Upon reading this note, I responded to Sherri with my following comments:


What makes me so angry as a former State Legislator and policy maker, is that instead of immediately suspending these unapproved and experimental injections, those in positions of authority with the lawful and moral duty to protect our God-given rights and lives are instead remaining silent and enabling the lawless Executive Branch bureaucrats to double down! Jab it in the arms of the young people. Jab it in the arms of our children. It fits the definition of genocide!

Evidence #2: Unsolicited testimonies personally I’ve received in the past 2 weeks from pastors in PA:

* From a Senior Pastor in SW PA: Today, a man in my church in generally good health died of AFIB within 24 hours of taking his 2nd Pfizer injection. (This pastor sent his email to 6 others in a chain of pastors.) Within in minutes, the following responses came back:

* A millennial pastor in southern NY replied: “Wow! Last week a middle-aged woman in our small church – in good health – took her 2nd injection and died with cardiac arrest within 24 hours.”

* Another Sr. Pastor from mid-state PA then responded. “A neighbor of my mine in our very small village, got COVID back in February. He was very sick but recovered back to health. About a 2 months ago, he was convinced to take the injections. Just a week ago after taking the 2nd shot, he got very sick and died.”

* Another person on this email chain from NC responded: “My Pastor took the injection. A short time after his first injection, he became extraordinarily sick with the symptoms of COVID and is in very serious condition in the hospital.” (I don’t know his status as of right now.)

Evidence #3: From a Radio Station Manager who carries our SIGT Radio program.

About 3 weeks ago, I shared my studied observations of projected harm and the escalating nature of the damage being created from the COVID injections. His first response was that of doubt. A day later, he called me and said: “Sam, I shared what you said with my small radio staff. I was shocked. In the extended family of just one of my broadcast staff, in the previous week, 2 middle age family members who took the COVID injections died. One with blood clotting issues and the other with, I believe, a heart-attack. According to my staff person, both were in good health. You were right! I’m now hearing of other such occurrences.”

Evidence #4: From my local Family Physician who has a large practice.

This physician has successfully treated over 150 patients with the hydroxychloroquine Covid treatment. The oldest patient was 91 years old. All fully recovered. No deaths or permanent harm from the virus with his patients. In the past 2 weeks, this physician has relayed to me the following:

* “Sam, one patient in his 50’s came into the office with great fatigue. He has been healthy. In the course of conducting blood work, we found his platelet count nearly depleted. He had taken the first injection a week before. I told him that this kind of symptom is showing up as one of the many adverse reactions. For treatment, I told him that he needed to go on the hydroxychloroquine treatment, and to NOT take the 2nd shot. If he took that 2nd shot, he would most likely quickly die. He is now slowly improving.”

* “Another patient came in for regular preventive care. His blood work showed extensively high inflammation indicators. With normally good levels, I determined that he had taken the first shot. I instructed him to NOT take the 2nd as the production of high inflammation levels leading to stroke, thrombosis/blood clots and heart attack are all increasing evidence of adverse reactions caused by the COVID injections.”

* “Other indications are showing up in a wide array of patient sicknesses – all linked to people taking the injections. Sam, we are entering a disaster time.”

Evidence #5: From a friend of mine who is involved in the FDA/Pharma vaccine approval process.

“If the occurrences of adverse effects from any of the COVID injections now being promoted had occurred any time before the Emergency Authorization provision to bypass testing standards, the entire project would have been shut down. As it is, I can tell you that there is NO WAY that any of these EUA ‘vaccine’ injections will ever be APPROVED without changing the law!” 

#6: The Chart below shows the official numbers voluntarily reported on the VAERS/CDC US Govt Website.

Please note the following about these numbers:

* These are voluntarily reported numbers and therefore represent approximately 1% of ACTUAL according to a Harvard study HERE paid for by the CDC. (Based on the VAERS numbers and the Harvard study, True deaths approach. 300,000! The total adverse events over 7M! Sound like mass murder and genocide?)

* These numbers are low. According to the CDC they are 3-4 weeks delayed in reporting and posting.

* These numbers show that average reported vaccine deaths for years are level. The spiked upward climb since the COVID injections is historic.

* Any other vaccine or drug would have been pulled from the market by now for safety reasons. Perhaps the reason it has not is because it is NOT a vaccine but an experimental gene therapy!

* “A typical new drug at about five deaths, and unexplained deaths, would get a black-box warning, and it would be seen on TV, saying it may cause death. At about 50 deaths it’s pulled off the market.”

* In 1976 during the Swine Flu pandemic the U.S. attempted to vaccinate 55 million Americans. At that point the shot caused about 500 cases of paralysis and 25 deaths. “The program was killed, at 25 deaths.”

Stand in the Gap Today Transcript: H.R. 350 and Government Surveillance – Is the Trap Being Set?

This transcript was taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on March 15, 2021. To listen to the program, please click HERE.

Sam Rohrer:                      Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand in the Gap Today. I’m Sam Rohrer and I’m going to be joined today by pastor Gary Dull, and in just a moment by Mark Lerner, who is the co-founder of the Constitutional Alliance.

                                             Our focus for today surrounds a bill, a bill recently introduced in Congress, actually January 19th was the date, by a representative, Bradley Scott, who is a Democrat who hails from the state of Illinois. The bill at that point had 109 sponsors and they have some more now. But it was referred at that point to three committees, Judiciary, Homeland Security and Armed Services.

                                             But just a few days ago, on March the 5th, it was referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security. Now the purpose of this program, Stand in the Gap Today, is not to specifically track legislation. Other groups do that. But we do however focus on matters of content within law and public policy and all matters of truth where it affects our God given or Constitutional freedoms, and it’s our duty we believe to impart the watchman on the walls to call out deception and lies and attacks in all forms that are against God, the authoritative scripture, and the Biblical world view.

                                             On this program we try to have no bias except a bias for the truth, and for that we do not apologize. As such I feel compelled to address the content of one piece of legislation, H.R…. House Resolution 350, because of it’s potential to negatively impact our freedom, our ability to preach the gospel, to evangelize, and to exercise our God given rights to worship God as we choose, for pastors to preach the whole counsel of God as it is written and as they are commanded, and for each of us to live our lives as law abiding and God fearing citizens.

                                             Taken together with the aggressive efforts of H.R. 5, the immoral inequality act as I refer to it, and multiple Biden executive orders we have to consider well that the net is being laid and we must do all we can as commanded in Proverbs 28:4 to contend or to resist… Another word for that is to strive against the wicked lest we become guilty before God, enabling or literally praising the wicked.

                                             Here’s the entire verse of Proverbs 28:4, and then we’ll get into this. The verse says, “Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law,” that’s the truth of God’s word, “actually strive against him.”

                                             So our theme for today is this, H.R. 350 and government surveillance, why Americans must resist. Today we’re going to define the basis of this proposed law, which is surveillance and monitoring. We’ll define that. We’ll identify what’s in the bill, why it’s being promoted. In segment three we’ll address the key concerns about the bill, of which there are many, and during the final segment we’ll identify how you and I can best resist and oppose the elements of that bill. So all of that and more today right here on Stand in the Gap Today.

                                             With that I want to walk him into the program, right now our special guest, Mark Lerner. Mark, thanks for being with us today.

Mark Lerner:                     It’s my pleasure. I’m looking forward to the program.

Sam Rohrer:                      Mark, so are we. Let’s get right into it. We have a lot to cover, but you’re the co-founder of the Constitutional Alliance, and in that capacity your concerned about Constitutional issues, issues of rights as given to us by God assured by the Constitution.

                                             But you’re also perhaps one of the nation’s leading experts on biometrics and biometric based perhaps surveillance, but generally speaking government perspective surveillance, and you’re there in that space.

                                             Before we get into the concerns about H.R. 30, I want to go first and have you define and help lay the foundation here, so do this briefly. Please define government surveillance and briefly how it’s achieved, if you could do that, start there first.

Mark Lerner:                     I would define surveillance as either having direct or indirect access to all information, emphasis on all, regarding a person or group. The government collects that information directly by requiring biometrics or facial image, et cetera, but also indirectly by going to companies, whether it was Best Buy, Motel 6, travel agency, and paying those companies for information they collect about our activities.

                                             And then finally government uses data mining companies. Data mining companies have about 1,500 data points or more about each of us, magazines we subscribe to, where we travel to, et cetera. So all of that goes into defining surveillance.

Sam Rohrer:                      Dig down a little deeper on that. By the way, it’s a delight to have you back with us today. But in your opinion, and you’ve studied this greatly, we know that government surveillance of the enemy as a military intelligence is very, very necessary, but when the tools of surveillance are turned on or against the citizens of the United States of America that’s different.

                                             You sort of implied some of this in your answer to Brother Sam, but share with us a little bit more on how developed government surveillance is in targeting the law abiding citizens of the United States of America, and compare that in contrast to what we see in China if you would please.

Mark Lerner:                     Very simply, the government is interested in collecting all information, regardless of whether you are doing something illegal or not. They want to know everything about you. In my own personal discussions with former NSA whistleblower Bill [Benning 00:06:35], Bill went to great lengths to explain that none of us can avoid government surveillance.

                                             The difference though with China, in China the people know surveillance is taking place. There’s a great deal of transparency. With our government there’s little or no transparency, and the government has exempted itself from providing transparency by exempting itself from the Privacy Act of 1974.

Sam Rohrer:                      So, Mark, what you laid out there is very critical. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope that you heard that. Again, the theme today is this, H.R. 350, that’s a bill in Washington, we’re going to talk about it, deals with government surveillance and a whole lot more. But what Mark just said, the level of surveillance in the United States, the data points collected and all of that, is about as broad as it is in China.

                                             The difference there, the people in China know the government is surveilling them and to some degree how. Here in the United States we don’t know and it’s not transparent. Boy, that’s not a whole big difference, actually worse here in some respects, right? When we come back we’ll talk about this bill. We’ll get into what it is and why it was introduced. We’ll go there next. Stay with here on Stands in the Gap Today.


Sam Rohrer:                      Welcome back to Stand in the Gap Today. I’m Sam Rohrer. I’m accompanied today by Dr. Gary Dull and our special guest, Mark Lerner. Mark is the co-founder of the Constitutional Alliance. They have a website at

                                             Our theme today is this, our title that we’ve given it is H.R. 30… That stands for H.R. 350 and government surveillance, why Americans must resist. In the last segment we defined it, defined surveillance and the distinctions ultimately between the United States and surveillance on its citizens in China. Mark made the distinction that effectively they are the same except that what’s being done within our nation is not known to people and it is known in China. I’m summarizing that briefly, but we’ll build on it as we go through.

                                             But every bill or law that’s introduced in Congress or various states contain a few common elements. Now I’m sharing this because of my experience of being in office. Many of you out there listening are very astute and you can read bills, and it’s an art to read them and understand them, but here’s just a couple of things.

                                             There are some common elements that are in bills, so if you ever pull one up… In this one, if you go to the site and you bring up H.R. 350 you’ll look at the bill and you’ll see a certain thing. But here are a couple of common items.

                                             For instance it has the bill number. This is H.R…. House Resolution 350 in this case. There is a brief stated purpose or an overview statement that occurs at the beginning of the bill and then there’s a short title, generally section one it’s referred to. That becomes the official legal reference when referring to the bill.

                                             Then it proceeds into the writing of the bill, and it starts generally speaking with defining certain key words. Then it begins to lay out the why of the bill. There’s some intent generally factored in it, and then how it is a matter of law and how it’s to be enforced by the Executive Branch, because the Legislative Branch writes the laws, the Executive Branch enforces them.

                                             So a bill puts into a law something that is there and it tells effective the Executive Branch what they are to do to enforce it, and it gives them a certain amount of power.

                                             In this case, H.R. 350 says this. The short title is this. “This act may be cited as the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021,” Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021. Now the short preamble purpose statement that is there says this, “To authorize dedicated Domestic Terrorism offices within the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation,” here’s the purpose, “to analyze and monitor domestic terrorist activity and require the federal government to take steps to prevent domestic terrorism.”

                                             That is how it all fits together. Mark, let’s get right into this. In the first segment you defined, as I mentioned, surveillance generally. I want you now to describe how this bill defines surveillance and domestic terrorism, if it actually does, and how it perhaps changes the definition of those words or phrases as now currently used, or would be used if this bill were to pass.

Mark Lerner:                     Let’s start by saying the bill does not define domestic surveillance. It does address domestic terrorism by saying acts dangerous to human life, to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, and to affect government by mass destruction, assassinations, kidnapping, and these are acts that would take place primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Gary Dull:                           Mark, for those of us who follow what goes on in our country, what goes on in Congress as it relates to legislation, we realize that many times legislation is introduced as a knee jerk reaction to some event that took place.

                                             One illustration I think of that that most of us are aware of would be the Patriot Act following the 9/11 event back 20 years ago for example. With that in mind, and in connection with this bill, H.R. 350, do you think that this particular bill has been introduce and is being promoted as a direct knee jerk reaction to what took place in Washington, DC on January the 6th of this year?

Mark Lerner:                     Yes, I do. There’s no doubt. As Sam had mentioned, this bill was introduced January 19th, the day before Biden took his oath of office. Now as far as a knee jerk reaction, we all believed with regard to 9/11 there was some kind of wall between the Central Intelligence Agency and federal law enforcement like the FBI, but in fact the 9/11 report simply said this. Simply put, there was no legal reason why the information could not have been shared, talking about the information the CIA had and giving that information to the FBI.

                                             So the Patriot Act actually was not needed to tear down this mythical wall that we were all told existed. This is the same thing today with this piece of legislation that supposedly is going to address domestic terrorism.

Sam Rohrer:                      Now I’m going to go further on this, because in the next segment I’m going to ask you to talk about some definitions that are not in this bill. But I got to ask you one thing. I am reading the bill here right now. It’s not long. This one is not long. But section two, under definitions, number two, I’m going to read it.

                                             It says this, “The term ‘domestic terrorism’ has the meaning given the term in section 2331 of title 18, United State Code.” So that’s already a little bit of a problem, because they don’t really define it here. But here’s the question I want to ask you. It says, “Except,” so the term domestic terrorism has the meaning given in that section, “Except that it does not include acts perpetrated by individuals associated with or inspired by,” and then it goes on and it says, “a foreign person or an organization designated as a foreign terrorist organization,” or in letter C, “a state sponsor of terrorism determined by the Secretary of State.”

                                             I look at this and it would seem to me that domestic terrorism they’re saying under this… Any act of terrorism that happens within the United States one would call domestic, but they’re saying under here that if any of those acts have any connection to a terrorist organization outside the country it’s not going to be included within that. It struck me as highly odd. Comment.

Mark Lerner:                     My comment is simply this. Law enforcement in general is looking for a way to have greater powers to surveil people in the United States, US citizens, even though there may be no probable cause to surveil those people, to collect information about those people.

                                             So if they can draw a nexus to foreign terrorism great, but with this it’s not necessary. This will just give more power to the federal government, but we’re not even going to know what the power is until the bill is passed, enacted, and we find out in the rules what powers government may have.

Sam Rohrer:                      Mark, that’s the point I want to emphasize for all who are listening right now. As Mark said, there is already information gathering and sharing that is in place. The Patriot Act which took place after 9/11 tore down some of the walls providing for privacy and combined certain things.

                                             Now here comes this bill, a knee jerk reaction ostensibly to what happened or did not happen on January 6th, and will be used as the justification to further expand government authority to surveil US citizens, and by specifically saying, as I just read from the act… By specifically not involving any act that is in any way associated to any outside terrorist related group in Iran, or Muslim Brotherhood, or anybody of that type.

                                             But by keeping all of those out it focuses this whole brand new focus on really the law abiding citizen, and by failing to actually define the terms, what Mark just said, makes it open that we’ll never know really what it’s going to be about until you get rule making and bureaucracy gets involved in defining these things after the bill may be passed.

                                             So hopefully you got the idea, but the framework of it is what we’re talking about, the framework to authorize government in multiple agencies to focus on law abiding citizens under the guise of domestic terrorism without defining it really is where the real problem is and that’s why we’re raising it as an issue today. Bad law, dangerous law any time it’s written like this.

                                             When we come back we’re going to go further into actually then talking about further concerns in its application of this law, should it be passed, and it is moving, so we need to be aware. Stay with us. We’ll be right back.


Sam Rohrer:                      Welcome back to Stand in the Gap Today. I’m Sam Rohrer, and accompanied today by Dr. Gary Dull and our special guest, Mark Lerner, who is the co-founder of Constitutional Alliance, with a website at Our theme is this, H.R. 350, that stands for House Resolution 350, and government surveillance, why Americans must resist.

                                             We’ve built the foundation on surveillance. We’ve defined it in segment one, did some other things relative to its application, comparing where we are in the United States to that of China in the last segment. We talked about some other aspects of the bill, the what aspects of it, as well as a little bit of the why, a bit of a knee jerk reaction, really too exaggerated, in my opinion, January 6th event in Washington, DC.

                                             In the next segment we’re going to talk about the concerns. But before I do that I want to share just very briefly a couple of notes that just came in. A lot of you listening to this program… If you’re listening to this program you’re hearing me now, you’re listening to Stand in the Gap Today. During that last break you heard another program that we do called our Stand in the Gap Minute program, which is on probably 400 or 500 stations I think now across the country just in a singular form.

                                             We have a weekend program that builds off of a selected program from the week and we re-package it slightly and we use it on a weekend, a program that we call Stand in the Gap Weekend.

                                             I got two just came in this morning, two letters. One came from Memphis, Tennessee. One person who says, “I listen to American Family Radio there,” and I’ll leave out some things, “but normally I listen.” She said, “I just happened to tune in on Sunday evening when it’s carried. I tuned in and I heard it on the radio. I heard the weekend broadcast.”

                                             She said, “I was so excited when I heard it,” and she happened to be listening to a program that we did with our special guest from Ireland when we were talking about the vaccines and so forth, and she was so impressed with that she’s asking for some more information. But that was from Tennessee.

                                             Then one that I just got as well, this is just a short one, but it’s very nice. It actually came from an individual in Hershey, Pennsylvania. She said, “We are so appreciative listening to your weekly program Saturday on WDAC,” which comes out of Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

                                             She said, “My husband listens to your programs regularly. It’s a major part of our weekend agenda. He listens on his iPad in his skid loader on the farm as he’s mixing feed for our dairy cows.” So it’s amazing, ladies and gentlemen. I don’t know where you are right now. You’re probably not on a skid loader, but we are so thankful to hear from people who are listening to the program and being blessed. I hope that we hear from you.

                                             Go to Let us know that you are listening. Participate with us in prayer. Partner with us financially as these folks have done so that we can continue to speak the truth boldly and on more stations across this country.

                                             All right, now back into the legislation we talked about. The legislation or the making of law is both an art and a science. A political body making law possesses certain obligations to make no unnecessary law for instance. I’m talking about good law. Lots of bad laws are made.

                                             But the purpose of a law should be singular. It should be very clearly understood. Significant terms within the legislation are to be clearly defined, and that’s to be a part of the agreement upon which a person who casts their vote is clear. If they’re not clear they shouldn’t vote for it.

                                             The purpose for the bill should also be clear and honestly stated, not intended to deceive, but should be clearly transparent. All ambiguities, potentials for abuse or misapplication should be carefully considered and worked out. No bill should ever be passed where those kinds of things are not fully understood and worked out, and always no authority should ever be given to an Executive Branch for more enforcement than is absolutely necessary, and the bill should have some kind of what’s called a sunset or a termination date so that it can be revisited in case even in that process something happens in that bill that ends up being dangerous or illegitimate. Any bill that doesn’t meet this criteria should get a no vote from every person who’s in office.

                                             Mark, let’s get right into it here. I’ve spent a little bit extra time on this, but N.H.R. 350, Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021, what could a person do under this act that is not already a crime under existing law? Does that make sense? And what potential harm could this cause for God fearing, law abiding citizens?

                                             In other words, the laws are already in effect. Anybody who breaks the law, they’re already prosecuted. What does this one perhaps set up that could get an innocent person involved in doing something that they could be prosecuted for?

Mark Lerner:                     My answer is this. Number one, we already have the Insurrection Act. Essentially what that says is any attempt to overthrow the government or take action against the people who are governing it themself… Okay, so this seems to basically piggyback on the Insurrection Act.

                                             We also have hate crime bills or laws that address if a person is going after a specific group of people, whether they be black people, Hispanic people, or even white people, or abortion clinics. So we have laws that deal with opposing what government is doing and committing a “terrorist act”. We have laws against committing acts of violence against specific people or groups based on their religion, their race, et cetera.

                                             So it’s not really clear exactly what this law is intended or will do, but what we know for sure from 200 plus years of experience, it will give the federal government more power than what it already has. Otherwise there would be no reason for the law at all.

Gary Dull:                           All right Mark, you mentioned that this law, or this bill, H.R. 350 would give more power to the federal government than what it already has. Of course as we look down through history we can see that every one of these bills that are related to surveillance and other things have always strengthened and enlarged the federal government rather than reduced it, and certainly I think that should be a concern for every one of us.

                                             But specifically as you see it, as you’ve studied it, what additional powers are given under this act to government particularly as it relates to the surveillance of individuals that the government does not already have that would really cause harm to our society?

Mark Lerner:                     Reading the legislation, the only thing that any reasonable person can take away is if law enforcement felt an individual or group of people was considering committing an act of terrorism, which I again say could fall under the Insurrection Act or hate crime laws, this will allow the government to proactively follow that trail of supposed evidence that somebody was about to commit a crime.

                                             This is very dangerous, because now we’re getting into the whole idea of the thought police. Many people think about things. That doesn’t mean they’re actually going to follow through, and that’s where I’m very concerned this legislation is going.

Sam Rohrer:                      And Mark, I am too, because one of the things that I said, at the beginning of it it says, “require the federal government to take steps to prevent,” that’s the key word, ladies and gentlemen, “to prevent domestic terrorism.” How are they going to know to prevent other than lots of surveillance and lots of insinuation?

                                             Mark, they also have some key terms in here that are not defined. Pick out a couple of… In the last minute here, a couple of terms that are not defined which ought to be defined.

Mark Lerner:                     The one that really stands out is white supremacy and white supremacist. How do you define the white supremacist? If I want secure borders am I a white supremacist? If I believe we should have strong laws to protect our foreign trade and I want to reduce our trade deficit am I a white supremacist because I think we deal too freely with China or the nations of Africa?

                                             It’s not clear what a white supremacist is. That bothers me, and also the term mass destruction. When you look at the news and you see mass shootings they’re talking about two or more people, so in this legislation it doesn’t define mass destruction. Does that mean where more than one person is hurt all of a sudden it becomes an act of domestic extremism or domestic terrorism? We don’t know because there are no definitions for white supremacy or supremacist or mass destruction.

Sam Rohrer:                      Ladies and gentlemen, what I described earlier, bills that do not define the terms but use them repeatedly, are absolutely setups for activist attorneys, activist judges, and activist Justice Department and others to basically determine when and how they will pursue it, and this is why this becomes so important. When we come back, we’re going to talk about what we can do.


Sam Rohrer:                      When we started this program I quoted the verse from Proverbs 28:4 about the necessity and I’m going to suggest the obligation of all who fear God to oppose… And literally strive is the word that’s used… To strive against those who are wicked, and that includes wicked policies or laws that are wicked and God defying.

                                             It’s the concept of Stand in the Gap… We say stand in the gap with us, all right? Stand in the gap is the word that is used, in a technical sense, it’s ‘interposition’… We talked about that a week ago, Gary and I did with pastor Matt Trewhella. That’s what it means. God himself said in Ezekiel 22:30 all right, who’s going to stand in the gap? Who’s going to oppose? Who’s going to stand there before me so I don’t have to judge the nation of Israel, he was talking about then? But he was looking for someone who would strive against those who would do wicked things and put into effect ungodly laws.

                                             So opposing evil in any form, it’s always a duty for every God fearing and Bible believing person. We don’t often look at things that way, but we should, because the Bible talks about it. So how we resist though, that does vary. How we contend can take various forms, and depending on the level of wicked actions and the specificity of the wicked commands that might be levied, discussion would be more perhaps how best and how most biblically we do it, but resist we must.

                                             Mark, in regard to this legislation I want you to identify a few steps our listeners can take. They’ve heard these things, and again there’s so many different bills that are in place, we know that. We don’t spend a lot of time on bills, because in most cases they never see the light of day.

                                             But H.R. 5, which is the Inequality Act, that has movement. It affects potentially every one of us who are listening to the program. H.R. 1, which is the bill that would actually take over all of the voting, and if you liked the fraud in the voting of the last election H.R. 1 cements it into place, but they have movement to them, and the same way with this one, H.R. 350.

                                             So you’re doing some things with your organization Mark. Perhaps maybe our listeners can actually join in with what you’re doing, or maybe perhaps do it separately, so lay it out there for us please.

Mark Lerner:                     Very simply what we’re doing is we’re honoring what Christ Jesus told the disciples in Matthew 28:20. He told them to observe all things to tell others, “To observe all things that I have commanded you, and lo I am with you always even to the end of age.”

                                             So the disciples were supposed to go out and tell all people, preach the gospel to the whole world, make disciples. We have to ask ourselves how are we going to do that with the growing surveillance state, especially ones where evangelical Christians now are being targeted.

                                             What the Constitutional Alliance has done has changed from the a 501c3 to a 501c4 so we can propose legislation and while being in support of it to protect the right of Christians to go out and preach the gospel to the whole world and make disciples without having to be worried about is this going to be considered hate speech? Is this incitement? No. We have a right to do that based on the First Amendment and we have a commandment, a commitment, a responsibility to do it based on Christ Jesus’ words to the disciples.

                                             So, we’re asking people go to the, constitutional alliance one word, become a subscriber. If you go to our website today you’ll see a button that says subscriber. Please go there. Go there today and subscribe. Help the Constitutional Alliance. We’re going to be in all 50 states working with state legislators, ministries, state roots, private citizens. Help us to help you.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay Mark. I appreciate you saying that. Ladies and gentlemen, you may not be aware of this, but the American Pastors Network is a 501c3. Mark described a 501c4. A 501c4 can actively get involved in legislation and follow that and propose legislation of all types and so forth.

                                             A 501c3 like us more focuses on the subject and the content, the principles undergirding it. So that’s why I said at the beginning of the program we in this program focus on all things, all issues that would undercut truth, anything that would attack truth.

                                             That could be a heresy from the pulpit. That could be from propaganda coming in from China or from Russia or from our own government, or anything that would undercut our constitutionally guaranteed, built upon our God given rights. That’s what a 501c3 does. That’s why the pulpits… They’re separate even from that, but that’s why pulpits and the word of God tells the pulpit to preach to all aspects of life, because the word of God speaks to all area of life, and that’s what we talk about here.

                                             So that’s why you will see us go so far on this program and we don’t go too much further. We’re not activists because we’re not set up to do that, but you are. You individually are, so we would ask you to do more. Take information and act upon it, and as we say stand in the gap. Take information and literally stand in the gap.

                                             Say no to those laws, guidelines, or whatever comes down the pike that would tell us not to do what the word of God tells us to do, or to tell us to do something that the word of God does not tell us to do, or undercuts our constitutional guaranteed God given rights. That’s how it all fits together.

                                             Gary, we’re about up. I want to go to you to conclude the program, any final comments as a pastor in the pulpit and what we’re talking about, and then conclude, if you would, in prayer for this matter and for our people who are listening to the program today to take and use it.

Gary Dull:                           I think one of the things that we need to keep in mind, Sam and Mark and everybody listening, is that it’s important that we as Christian citizens particularly become aware of what’s going on. Sometimes we are totally oblivious to what is taking place in our government.

                                             Of course here at Stand in the Gap Today we try to keep you all informed, but research these things on your own. Get involved with understanding what’s going on in government. Then build a relationship with your United States Senator and Representative as well as those who are on the state level so that you can have a personal impact in their lives.

                                             When you see a bill such as H.R. 350 or whatever the case is that will not strengthen our country, but will rather weaken it in the long run, or is completely bad law, a bad bill, I would encourage you to write your Senator or your Congressman about that, because we, the people, are the government. They work for us in Washington. They don’t dictate to us. But we must stand up and speak out.

                                             Father, I thank you for the opportunity that we’ve had to put this program together today. I thank you for Mark Lerner and what goes on in the Constitutional Alliance ministry. I pray that you’ll continue to use them. I pray that you protect them in what they do in getting out truth and standing against error. Give the rest of us as Christian citizens of this nation the wisdom, the strength, the ability of the pulpit to stand for truth and stand against error. We thank you in Jesus’ name. Amen.

Sam Rohrer:                      Amen. Amen. Thank you Gary. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for being with us today. Again in conclusion, go to Mark Lerner’s website, Find more information. Participate as you can there. Go to our website, Participate with us. Come alongside of us as we help folks like Mark Lerner and others, all of us together needing to stand in the gap.

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